Mrs P Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Hi Everyone Well as i have said in my title i am a newbie to all things shooting. My husband and I have had 3 lessons so far clay shooting (sporting) and are really enjoying it. We applied for our shotgun licenses about 4 weeks ago so hoping they wont take too long. While we are waiting we thought we would start looking into what shotguns we would like to purchase. I had originally set my sights on a Browning Cynergy Black Ice, but these are proving difficult to find. I have been told by the lady at Malmo guns i need one with an adjustable stock and she recommended a Winchester Select energy 30" 12bore. I just wondered what peoples opinions are on this gun or could you recommend any other guns to look at which would be suitable for women. Many thanks in advance Mrs P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddJob Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I've got an adjustable walnut Cynergy for sale. Lovely bit of kit and handles well. Welcome to come and try it out or can mail pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) Have a look at Franchi long recoil operated semi autos. Less than 7lbs weight and very little recoil. Cheaper than a Browning too. Edited October 25, 2012 by Wharf Rat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Hi there, Welcome to the forum this place is a wealth of knowledge. I'm not sure why she'd say you need to have something adjustable? If you try enough guns for fit you'll find something suitable. As I've said in a similar post, keep an open mind. Set budget, try lots of guns for fit at a reputable shop, buy it and smash clays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs P Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Thanks for the offer oddjob but you are a bit far away :-) We only nipped in the shop for 5 minutes so didn't chat for long with them or look at too many guns. She suggested an adjustable stock as the lady said I have high cheek bones so there was a greater area from the stock to my cheek. So far I have only shot a 410 and a silver pigeon 20 gauge, I did enjoy shooting the silver pigeon but will wait to see how I get on with the 12 gauge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tod Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Hi Everyone Well as i have said in my title i am a newbie to all things shooting. My husband and I have had 3 lessons so far clay shooting (sporting) and are really enjoying it. We applied for our shotgun licenses about 4 weeks ago so hoping they wont take too long. While we are waiting we thought we would start looking into what shotguns we would like to purchase. I had originally set my sights on a Browning Cynergy Black Ice, but these are proving difficult to find. I have been told by the lady at Malmo guns i need one with an adjustable stock and she recommended a Winchester Select energy 30" 12bore. I just wondered what peoples opinions are on this gun or could you recommend any other guns to look at which would be suitable for women. Many thanks in advance Mrs P theres a nice cynergy for sale on here for about a grand but why one of those ? have you shot one, dont buy an adjustable stocked gun, buy one that fits to start with, my advise is try as many guns as possible at clay grounds, most people will let you have a shot or two with their gun, when you find one that feels right go to a good gunshop who will advise you on gunfit which is paramount, as for guns that are suitable for women, any gun that fits is suitable, just remember the lighter the gun the more you will feel the recoil, but if your of slight build and need a lighter gun just use lighter cartridges, enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukeboy Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I had a cynergy for a short time, I found it battered my cheek and shoulder! Coulda been just the wrong fit for me but put me off. I shoot a beretta 686e now and love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 (edited) My Mrs shoots my 1981 Lanber 12g but I use 21 gram carts to save her petit frame from getting a battering. A good fit is far better than moving cheek pieces etc, try as many guns as you can and you will find one that just feels right. Have you thought about a semi - auto, they are usually lighter and due to the action they generally give a lighter recoil experience. Good luck Edited October 26, 2012 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs P Posted October 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I fancied the cynergy black ice as i had read it was suitable for women with its light weight, and also i love the look of it. But i know just because i like the look of something it doesnt mean it will actually be any good for me (sorry i sound like a typical woman "because i like the look of it " LOL). why is it you guys have reccomended not to buy a gun with an adjustable stock? the beretta 686e with adjustable stock was actually the gun suggested to my husband. i dont fancy a semi automatic to be honest but i had read about them being lighter on the recoil for women i think im best as you all say going back to the store and trying them all until one fits and feels right Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 The way it looks is a consideration, it has to be considering what they cost. It's just not the most important thing as whether it has £10,000 worth of woodwork and engraving on it or not, if it doesn't fit or feel right you won't hit as many targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Thanks for the offer oddjob but you are a bit far away :-) We only nipped in the shop for 5 minutes so didn't chat for long with them or look at too many guns. She suggested an adjustable stock as the lady said I have high cheek bones so there was a greater area from the stock to my cheek. So far I have only shot a 410 and a silver pigeon 20 gauge, I did enjoy shooting the silver pigeon but will wait to see how I get on with the 12 gauge. I like her approach to trying to fit a gun to your structure, as has been said the most important thing is gun fit after that I think a nice light recoiling load and you will be on your way with some good instruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 You will get a host of answers and advice on here. Best bet is a good coach after seeing you shoot will know what guns would suit you, as stature and strength matter. Lots of good things said of Brian Clegg Beretta on this forum for his coaching. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoQuad Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I have a Beretta Prevail with the kick off system and I would certainly recommend you trying a gun with it fitted if you can! I confess I am not a semi fan so wouldn't be able to offer any thoughts on them really. I prefer Beretta O/U's because I like their weight, balance and fit for me, Brownings and Mirokus both feel very heavy and unbalanced to me but they are of course perfect for huge numbers of others!! Best advice IMO is to take your time, pick up and "heft" as many guns as you can get your hands on until you find the one(s) that feels like a balanced, good fit for you, then try shooting with it if at all possible. As you are having lessons take any opportunities to try other guns where possible. My only caution would be to say that once you are in a shop remember that their sole purpose is to sell you something so go to shops with big selections and with someone who knows something about shotguns if you can. I know of some surprisingly poor practice by salespersons in stores where you might expect a higher standard of professional service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Some one got to say it thread needs a few pics of your self lol just kidding , first of all welcome to PW ,the guys and gals will give you good advice and point you in the right direction,and some will flirt with ya it's all done in a good way ,good luck finding something that fits and shoot safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Not to far from you and im sure he could put you in the right direction http://www.clayshootingcoach.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker56 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Hi welcome I noticed your from Lancashire have you tried www.kelbrookshootingschool.co.uk I bought my o/u from them although it was from there trade stand at the midland show,they were very helpful and pleasent people to deal with worth a try if their shooting ground is close to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Decisions decisions ,,ah that brings back memories just before I got my SGC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Remember any standard wood ( note not topcote etc fake wood) can be made adjustable by a competent gun smith ! Try plenty don't rush to buy and get some advice from a knowledgable shooter with nothing to gain from what you buy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil w Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 good advise here , as said get a gun that suites ( fits you ) i have owned a browning cynergy . a silver pigeon and several others . and now have a fixed choke o/u yeoman that fits me easy to shoulder and a joy to shoot because i get better scores and cost me £240 take your time and get the right gun for you and save your self £££££££££££££ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 As has already said, take your time to find the gun that fits YOU. Fit by far outweighs looks. Talk to your coach and ask their advise. If you get the right gun then you won't need an adjustable stock. If necessary use a lighter load then there will be less felt recoil. I have both o/u and semi auto which I use mainly for pigeons. Try as many as you can before you buy. Best of luck with the search but beware, the sport if very adictive. You may soon need to buy a bigger cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs P Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Some one got to say it thread needs a few pics of your self lol just kidding , first of all welcome to PW ,the guys and gals will give you good advice and point you in the right direction,and some will flirt with ya it's all done in a good way ,good luck finding something that fits and shoot safe ha ha cheers :0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs P Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Thank you to everyone who has given me advice. It has given me alot to think about. The one thing that is a bit annoying is that the first thing you want to do when your license is granted is to go out and buy a gun, but at the same time i do realise that the more guns i can try the better. Oh its annoying LOL I did nip up to Blackpool sporting clays yesterday for a quick look round and while i was there Andy let me have a quick go on his silver pigeon 12gauge and i shot using 25g cartridges and it was fine, i really liked the gun and its feel. Mike also kindly let me have a try with his semi automatic and it was a nice gun with low recoil, but i still do prefer and o/u I was also still told that i would be better with an adjustable stock on the gun i do decide to buy. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Best bit of advice I was given was 'wait' - very hard to do with a clean licence and money burning a hole in your pocket! Get your lessons until you feel absolutely comfortable with the coaches' teaching about gun mount. Then, when you go gun shopping, take some time mounting the gun- 10 or 11 times if you need to. Then mount it with your eyes closed,-when you open them is the barrel/bead/sight picture right, can you reach the trigger, is there a reasonable gap between your nose/ thumb? If you can mount the gun properly in this way several times, without doing the head/neck shuffle, chances are you are on the way to finding a gun that fits. Most importantly, be prepared to walk away if you aren't sure. On the point of the Cynergy, a friend of mine has a repetitive strain injury to his elbow, the Cynergy was a very stiff action which didn't ease, even after a few thousand cartridges, apparently this is common, the hinge pins are made to last longer than average, so they stay stiff for longer, may be worth thinking about if you are small-framed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Hi Mrs P, my wife shoots a Perazzi MX2000 12 bore. She's 5ft 2in, 8st and a size 8 so you can gauge her size to your own. If she picks up any make of gun she can't see down the rib. When I look along the rib towards her eye, with the gun unloaded of course, all I can see is her eyebrow. She's had a Beretta 682, a Browning GTI and is on her second Perazzi and on all of them she's had to have the stock altered dramatically to get the comb height correct and with the Perazzis she's had custom made stocks. It's the same with most of our shooting female friends, they've all had modifications made to get the gun to fit them. It is highly unlikely that you'll manage to pick up a gun off the shelf which will fit you particularly well. Having an adjustable comb will certainly give you the opportunity to get the comb height right. It may well that the stock is too long as well. A critical fit is also the size and shape of the pistol grip and how far the radius of it is from the trigger as that affects how well you can hold the gun properly and whether you reach the trigger comfortably. The other physical thing that needs to be considered is how well you're padded up top as some gun stocks have a pronounced toe which can dig in uncomfortably, this can also be easily remedied by changing the pitch of the stock. None of this stopped her from shooting exceptionally well, she's been in the GB ladies trap team for more than 20 years, and was European UT Champion in 2000. I would hope that wherever you buy the gun from takes this into consideration. If you go to Kelbrook I think Mike or Aaron Meggison would be able to help you or at least point you in the right direction. Phil Edited October 28, 2012 by PhilR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) In all honesty 50% of "advice" on here is absolute rubbish. This is the tinternet and beware of unsolicited advice. Most of you of have never even seen the lady, you don't know if she's tall, short, fat or thin. How on earth can you advise her what to buy? And the Cynergy is a pile of poo. Edited October 28, 2012 by BlaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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