sitsinhedges Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 What a scumbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Its a joke that he got of with it. Any of us done similar we would be in jail. It worries me that other officers are backing this thug. Edited November 10, 2012 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieboy Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 It worries me that other officers are backing this thug.????? why it was nailed on they would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 As Cranfield has said he was acquitted so he was not guilty of the offence. To everyone who says how could he do that to a woman I say EASY. I've had a drunk woman bite me in custody. I've been punched, kicked and spat on by women. A friend of mine was stabbed by a female drug addict with a dirty needle in custody. She said to him she was HIV+ and he would die. I've dragged people to the cells and pushed them in before. It's unfortunate she landed on her face and got injured. I'm sure that was not the officers intentions. I treat everyone the same and know that they can turn on you at any time. I know that many of you will disagree with this but most of you have never been in these situations. Harry This works for me.... Here is a quote from the Merseyside police recruitment website: "You must be honest and have a high degree of integrity to be a Merseyside Police officer. Officers with criminal associations or convictions may be vulnerable to pressure to disclose information. Convictions and cautions for certain offences can also undermine a police officer’s position as a witness in court. For these reasons, Merseyside Police need to be careful about recruiting people with cautions or convictions. Criminal record checks are made on all applicants. If you have a conviction or caution for any Criminal offences this will mean instant disqualification. Any non criminal offences, binding over imposed by a court, and any involvement in a criminal investigation will be considered, on a discretionary basis only. Disclosure There may be occasions when the convictions of a close relative or associate cause the applicant to be rejected. Under these circumstances the Recruiting Department would not be able to discuss the reason for the rejection with the applicant. Failure to disclose any information will result in rejection." Most forces have a similar policy. You will definately be ruled out if you have been to prison. TEH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Dirty Harry. It isn`t about what`s happened to you. The woman wasn`t doing any of what you have mentioned. If you can condone what he did then you are no better than he is. No wonder our police force has lost the trust of the nation. She was guilty of falling asleep in her car, that`s it, nothing else. Indeed. The fact that they all stick together like glue to defend the indefensible is worrying in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 As Cranfield has said he was acquitted so he was not guilty of the offence. To everyone who says how could he do that to a woman I say EASY. I've had a drunk woman bite me in custody. I've been punched, kicked and spat on by women. A friend of mine was stabbed by a female drug addict with a dirty needle in custody. She said to him she was HIV+ and he would die. I've dragged people to the cells and pushed them in before. It's unfortunate she landed on her face and got injured. I'm sure that was not the officers intentions. I treat everyone the same and know that they can turn on you at any time. I know that many of you will disagree with this but most of you have never been in these situations. Harry Agree fella... People cant really comment unless they have been there as we dont know the COMPLETE full story about what happened.... Its very hard to show restraint but maybe the red mist did come down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 :hmm: Not guilty apparently, two very different sides in this one with very opposed views! I guess this will be worth a lot to him in back pay and pension rights! Who knows!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I think the statement from the Chief Constable sums it all up pretty well. Other Officers claiming they have been in similair situations and "you don't know what it's like" offered as an excuse for assaulting detained persons is scarcely wise posting. If you don't like the heat, don't go in the kitchen? It's part of the job and yes it must be frustrating dealing with the underbelly of society, but that's the job you signed up for and keeping proper standards of self control and behaviour under those conditions is part of the deal. Otherwise we could just get a load of heavies in to kick the drunks down the stairs. Trying to defend the indefensible does nothing for the integrity and public image of those involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Agree fella... People cant really comment unless they have been there as we dont know the COMPLETE full story about what happened.... Its very hard to show restraint but maybe the red mist did come down? Yes big brave police officer just the sort we want in the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushjob Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 The Chief Constable is only interested in covering his *** after getting it all spectacularly wrong in the way he managed this, from allowing the video to be leaked to having a very poorly thought out and executed media plan to deal with the incident, ie he looked for the wrong sacrificial goat. You saw a cynically edited video released to show him in a bad light. There were two officers who in my opinion want disciplining for not assisting the Sgt to take her to the cell but just stood by watching - not worth the uniform if you ask me. The female officer then "complained" to deflect the fact that she could have been up for a neglect of duty for watching it all go wrong when 2 sets of hands could have done it properly and the situation Mark Andrews ended up in would never have happened. The alleged "victim" never initiated the complaint by the way.... The woman herself is a serial drink driver who cannot accept she does anything wrong, since this incident she has been arrested and banned for almost 2x the drink drive limit and tried to blame the sober driver of the car she hit for the accident and her arrest. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story though. It amazes me if theres a negative news item regarding shooting, everyones there saying there's two sides to every story, but anything involving the Police, well they must be wrong as what is in the news is obviously the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 The Chief Constable is only interested in covering his *** after getting it all spectacularly wrong in the way he managed this, from allowing the video to be leaked to having a very poorly thought out and executed media plan to deal with the incident, ie he looked for the wrong sacrificial goat. You saw a cynically edited video released to show him in a bad light. There were two officers who in my opinion want disciplining for not assisting the Sgt to take her to the cell but just stood by watching - not worth the uniform if you ask me. The female officer then "complained" to deflect the fact that she could have been up for a neglect of duty for watching it all go wrong when 2 sets of hands could have done it properly and the situation Mark Andrews ended up in would never have happened. The alleged "victim" never initiated the complaint by the way.... The woman herself is a serial drink driver who cannot accept she does anything wrong, since this incident she has been arrested and banned for almost 2x the drink drive limit and tried to blame the sober driver of the car she hit for the accident and her arrest. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story though. It amazes me if theres a negative news item regarding shooting, everyones there saying there's two sides to every story, but anything involving the Police, well they must be wrong as what is in the news is obviously the truth. I must of being looking at a different video i thought i saw him throwing her down on the floor injuring her head. All he had to do was get her trough the door and close it something i am sure he shouldn't have being doing himself. What her crime was is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) It's not video editing putting the copper in a bad light. It's 4 seconds of unedited seemless video that tells it all. How drunk and how naughty the woman was is irrelevant - he's not allowed to throw her face into the floor - don't you get that? It's this blind allegiance within the Police service that I find the most worrying. Edited November 10, 2012 by Mungler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 The woman herself is a serial drink driver who cannot accept she does anything wrong, since this incident she has been arrested and banned for almost 2x the drink drive limit and tried to blame the sober driver of the car she hit for the accident and her arrest. But it was never proved she was drunk and even if she was-are you saying it was alright for her to be thrown face first onto a concrete floor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 He did not throw her she fell. The judge said so when he quashed his conviction. Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 He did not throw her she fell. The judge said so when he quashed his conviction. Harry Thankfully there aren`t to many coppers around like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 He did not throw her she fell. The judge said so when he quashed his conviction. Harry He pushed her.His hand was at the back of her and he shoved forward-that much is obvious from the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 To everyone who says how could he do that to a woman I say EASY. You do the Police no favours with your comment Harry.. And you wonder why there's more & more police bashing threads.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 He did not throw her she fell. The judge said so when he quashed his conviction. Harry I don't need a judge to tell me what can see in the video. If you see what happened differently you are kidding yourself. PS A judge said she fell it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 He did not throw her she fell. The judge said so when he quashed his conviction. Harry Doing yourself and the police service no favours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 looked like a push to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 The Chief Constable is only interested in covering his *** after getting it all spectacularly wrong in the way he managed this, from allowing the video to be leaked to having a very poorly thought out and executed media plan to deal with the incident, ie he looked for the wrong sacrificial goat. You saw a cynically edited video released to show him in a bad light. There were two officers who in my opinion want disciplining for not assisting the Sgt to take her to the cell but just stood by watching - not worth the uniform if you ask me. The female officer then "complained" to deflect the fact that she could have been up for a neglect of duty for watching it all go wrong when 2 sets of hands could have done it properly and the situation Mark Andrews ended up in would never have happened. The alleged "victim" never initiated the complaint by the way.... The woman herself is a serial drink driver who cannot accept she does anything wrong, since this incident she has been arrested and banned for almost 2x the drink drive limit and tried to blame the sober driver of the car she hit for the accident and her arrest. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story though. It amazes me if theres a negative news item regarding shooting, everyones there saying there's two sides to every story, but anything involving the Police, well they must be wrong as what is in the news is obviously the truth. spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Unbelievable. And unbelievable anyone could stand up for him after watching the video. for once I agree with you, another thug in uniform gets away with it. what amazed me about this little event was that the bit were he slaps her to the ground seems to have been overlooked time and time again, have a look at the clip (about 40secs in and you will see he slaps her face before she goes to ground and is dragged to the cells) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eZnp9gUzas KW Edited November 10, 2012 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I am not defending the man, I am only pointing out that he has been found not guilty on appeal by a Judge. One assumes the Judge saw the video and reviewed other evidence we do not have before making his decision. If anyone is wrong, its the Judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 As Cranfield has said he was acquitted so he was not guilty of the offence. To everyone who says how could he do that to a woman I say EASY. I've had a drunk woman bite me in custody. I've been punched, kicked and spat on by women. A friend of mine was stabbed by a female drug addict with a dirty needle in custody. She said to him she was HIV+ and he would die. I've dragged people to the cells and pushed them in before. It's unfortunate she landed on her face and got injured. I'm sure that was not the officers intentions. I treat everyone the same and know that they can turn on you at any time. I know that many of you will disagree with this but most of you have never been in these situations. Harry You are a sick person and not only should be sacked from your job (unless you have been told and trained to beat people up) and also be investigated with a view to prosecute. And then the police wonder why they are hated. Is this the correct forum to have any policemen on I wonder? They all seems very aggressive, outspoken and full of themselves (surprise surprise). As I say you are a sick person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) You are a sick person and not only should be sacked from your job (unless you have been told and trained to beat people up) and also be investigated with a view to prosecute. And then the police wonder why they are hated. Is this the correct forum to have any policemen on I wonder? They all seems very aggressive, outspoken and full of themselves (surprise surprise). As I say you are a sick person Thats a bit strong. Put your self in his position. I'm surprised the fuzz are as reserved as they are. I love it when they open up a can of whup-*** on deserving scum bags. It gives me a sense of enormous well being. Edited November 10, 2012 by ack-ack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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