chrisjpainter Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I know nothing about the requirements for a gun cabinet; I shoot only sub 12ft/lb air rifles, so it's never been an issue! A question occurred to me (why, I have no idea) as to whether it's possible to get a gun cabinet installed in a caravan that would pass police inspection? Anyone got an answer?? Anyone got one installed?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) I wuld absolutely expect the answer to be no. Reasons - inability to fix irremovably to walls - not always occupied - able to be towed away (with guns) - not allowed in other than main house/residence. If caravan is main home previous exclusions apply. Have to leave it with a mate who has bricks and mortar. edit - spelling Edited November 19, 2012 by Kes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 There is a load of guidance here : http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/police/firearms/HO-Firearms-Guidance.pdf?view=Binary Chapter 19, particularly sections 19.7 and 19.20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 i used to wildfowl on anglesey when i owned a static caravan there and i had to have steel gunsafe in one of the site office buildings old bill wouldn,t allow it in storage at caravan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I would tend to agree with Kes here as I would kind of be like a portable tow away cabinet :( You could always build a stone wall around it although the car may not like that idea lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I wuld absolutely expect the answer to be no. Reasons - inability to fix irremovably to walls - not always occupied - able to be towed away (with guns) - not allowed in other than main house/residence. If caravan is main home previous exclusions apply. Have to leave it with a mate who has bricks and mortar. edit - spelling "It is unlikely that a gun room can satisfactorily be constructed within such a dwelling or unit of this type." - so, basically - no ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Thanks! I didn't think so, but the question was lingering and I had no idea where to look for the answer. So, I went for the lazy man's guide to shooting questions: post on PW and get everyone else to answer it for you Edited November 19, 2012 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 "It is unlikely that a gun room can satisfactorily be constructed within such a dwelling or unit of this type." - so, basically - no ! A gun room is considerably more secure than a gun safe / gun cabinet. I don't have a gun room in my house (though I'm pretty certain that one could be created, if need be. Not sure that my wife would be hugely impressed though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Hi , im under west mercia constabulary, and my friend has his installed into his carravan with no probs at all for his shotguns and rifles , ammo etc. It is perfectly legal as is installing them into a motor home to travel the country with etc as i also have a mate that has done that. For the caravan it has to be bolted to the chassis and concealed ( this one is within one of the single beds ) . hope this helps. I forgot to mention it is a static van not that it changes anything tho. Edited November 19, 2012 by vmax55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I wuld absolutely expect the answer to be no. Reasons - inability to fix irremovably to walls - not always occupied - able to be towed away (with guns) - not allowed in other than main house/residence. If caravan is main home previous exclusions apply. Have to leave it with a mate who has bricks and mortar. edit - spelling even a cabinet fixed to a wall can be removed or broken into though?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 well you can but a lot of work to do, you have to take the wheels off, weld it two the under neath of the caravan,on two metal,take the draw bar off.so it cant be towed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Now then chaps here I can shed some light as I have had this very conversation with Mike Eveley from BASC . He helped write the guidance notes for the home office on the safe storage of firearms . I live on a narrow boat and have shotgun and FAC . There is no law in this land that says you can't . All you need is a contactable place of residence for me that's the marina I am at most of the time . That doesn't mean that I can't leave and take the guns with me . For the firearms I have the name of my boat and the address of the marina listed as a condition . For the shot gun cert conditions do not apply as its not actually a requirement to lock your shotgun away only to protect it by any practicable means from falling into the wrong hands . My feo said he had passed 2 caravans before where they had a safe secured to the floor with steel plates on the underside so the bolts can't be ragged out . Hope that answers your question ..... Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 For the shot gun cert conditions do not apply as its not actually a requirement to lock your shotgun away only to protect it by any practicable means from falling into the wrong hands . My feo said he had passed 2 caravans before where they had a safe secured to the floor with steel plates on the underside so the bolts can't be ragged out . Hope that answers your question ..... Kev Thanks Kev. I wonder though. My DIY skills are pretty substandard, but given a whole day and a workshop, I reckon I could get into a gun cabinet. Is there not a problem with a caravan being very stealable? or would that just come under the criterion of 'protect it by any practicable means'? A narrow boat would be a different proposition. A contender for world's slowest police chase though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 yes you can put a gun cabinet in a caravn as i lve in one i should now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 ask a pikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 if its just a single shotgun, then as long as its secure i cant see the problem. stick a trigger lock on it and a cable through the trigger guard. as long as its then locked out of sight, i would imagine that would suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 In the end chaps, it must be down to your 'home' FEO. It would need to be a very solid structure (plates and bolts etc in the worst case.) Maybe, as mentioned, dwarf brick walls for a static. Boats are different - narrowboats are steel from memory. Anyway its speculation until your feo tells you whats necessary - I personally (were I an FEO) would not approve a cabinet for a tourer and would specify a very solid fixing for a static. Lots of people live in Mobile homes these days so you can bet its going to be a possibility if not now - eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 looks like there is no point of my mate applying because he lives in a cardboard box in an alleyway in belfast :( Rawl-bolt into cardboard? me thinks not lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 looks like there is no point of my mate applying because he lives in a cardboard box in an alleyway in belfast :( Rawl-bolt into cardboard? me thinks not lol maybe he could upgrade to a pallet .. he could whack a fixing into that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 maybe he could upgrade to a pallet .. he could whack a fixing into that lol a PALLET? luxury. in my wheelie bin outside the kebab shop, i used to dream of having a pallet to fix a gun cabinet to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 a PALLET? luxury. in my wheelie bin outside the kebab shop, i used to dream of having a pallet to fix a gun cabinet to I was evicted from my wheelie bin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 "It is unlikely that a gun room can satisfactorily be constructed within such a dwelling or unit of this type." - so, basically - no ! A gun room is not the same thing. It doesn't even say it couldn't be done. Thanks Kev. I wonder though. My DIY skills are pretty substandard, but given a whole day and a workshop, I reckon I could get into a gun cabinet. Is there not a problem with a caravan being very stealable? or would that just come under the criterion of 'protect it by any practicable means'? A narrow boat would be a different proposition. A contender for world's slowest police chase though! I've never yet seen a standard gun cabinet that offers any real resistance to a thief. If you can get to the side of it, I think I could cut the side enough to empty it using a 9" grinder with a slitting disk in under 3 minutes. Attacking the front door would take a bit longer, but I very much doubt it'd take 10. Use oxy-acetylene and there isn't a steel gun cabinet around that would stop it. Remember, while it may ruin the gun stock, a thief wouldn't care about that, a bit of damage to the stock isn't going to have much effect on the value in criminal hands. Gun cabinets stop the casual thief armed with a little bar who happens to come across the cabinet while taking your flat-screen and jewelry. They also stop access by non certificate holders in the house such as family and friends. They do nothing to stop the prepared or determined thief. In the end chaps, it must be down to your 'home' FEO. It would need to be a very solid structure (plates and bolts etc in the worst case.) Maybe, as mentioned, dwarf brick walls for a static. Boats are different - narrowboats are steel from memory. Anyway its speculation until your feo tells you whats necessary - I personally (were I an FEO) would not approve a cabinet for a tourer and would specify a very solid fixing for a static. Lots of people live in Mobile homes these days so you can bet its going to be a possibility if not now - eventually. It can be done. If it's a static caravan it's easier, yes you probably need to plate it underneath (it may need the plate welding to the chassis depending on how it works out). If the caravan is mobile it could be much harder. Remember that there are only guidelines on how guns should be stored, it does vary depending on the situation and the risks involved. It comes down to making it as secure as possible - I had my cabinet held by wood screws in a wooden hut when I first got a SGC. The FEO wasn't keen on it, but it was the best that could be done, so it has to be acceptable. Remember that some FEO's may get confused and think that the guidelines are law - they aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) I was evicted from my wheelie bin... Man, that's a tough break. It's great. personal space, a superb skylight for those summer evenings, bit of rubbish to keep you warm in the winter AND a mobile shooting hide for stalking chavs. what more do you need in life? Edited November 20, 2012 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 You can get gun cabinets designed for cars, so i dont see why you cant fit one (as long as its secure) to a caravan. As others have said, welding or bolting with suitable security bolts to the chasis. If its just a shotgun, then a trigger lock and it being chained to something solid may even be enough. Id have a word with the FEO and see what their feelings are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 You can get gun cabinets designed for cars, so i dont see why you cant fit one (as long as its secure) to a caravan. As others have said, welding or bolting with suitable security bolts to the chasis. If its just a shotgun, then a trigger lock and it being chained to something solid may even be enough. Id have a word with the FEO and see what their feelings are. Transit and permanent storage differ somewhat I suggest ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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