Browning Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) I've been offered some wildfowling, which is good. My predicament is.......I want to use my Extrema 2, as it's the only shotgun I own that will shoot anything over 2 3/4" cartridges and is steel proofed. My Extrema 2 is currently FAC multishot. I know the law states that you can't use any shotgun capable of holding more than 3 cartridges in total, which means I can't use the Extrema2 in it's current state. However, I still have the original crimped tube, rod, spring and end cap, which if fitted will limit the magazine capacity to 2. So would this bring it inside the law, or do I have to go the whole hog and get it reproofed and back to SGC? Has anyone ever done this? Edited December 7, 2012 by Browning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 I can't see how you would have an issue with the original tube fitted, lets face it its highly unlikely to ever get checked and if it were then the gun complies in use with the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted December 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Those were my thoughts Alex. Another thought was just because I have it as FAC multishot, does it actually HAVE to be more than 2 shot mag capacity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 ring basc, they probly have encountered this many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 I'm pretty sure you can use it, as long as you don't load any more than 2+1 Our club (and a lot of others) only allow 2 shots at duck, so in our case, it's no more than 1+1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Those were my thoughts Alex. Another thought was just because I have it as FAC multishot, does it actually HAVE to be more than 2 shot mag capacity? I can't see why legally you have an issue in that respect either, Its more of an issue the other way round were you to have at home the longer tube and the gun on a SGC that would be problematic but this way you are complying. I wouldn't advise the above approach of keeping the FAC capability and only loading two as that would be dodgy as the gun is still capable of being loaded with more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 i would have thought it would be the same as for fac air rifles,once on fac they stay on fac even if you adjust the power below 12ft lbs, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 just copied this from a wildfowling website; It is illegal to use a semi-automatic shotgun in the pursuit of wildfowl or game unless it is fitted with a device to prevent the firing of more than 3 cartridges in succession without reloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 they do stay on FAC thats not the real issue its whether they comply with the law on wildfowling and if on the marsh with a shorter tube it wouldn't be capable of being loaded with more than 2 cartridges. The only real issue actually might be conditions as it wouldn't be covered by vermin control and i can't see that they would grant game or wildfowl on a gun technically in the licensed format illegal for the purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted December 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 The only real issue actually might be conditions as it wouldn't be covered by vermin control and i can't see that they would grant game or wildfowl on a gun technically in the licensed format illegal for the purpose Very good point. I recently got them to condition for AOLQ on my rifles, but doubt that they will have done the same for the shotgun. Looks like I'll have to get it re-proofed and back onto SGC to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Did you convert it to fac or did it come like that ? If so where and how much was the tube ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted December 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 I converted it myself. I got the FAC kit (tube, spring, extended end cap) through a RFD mate and think it was around £70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 In the wildfowling club i'm a member of it states in the rules that no firearms are to be used on the land we shoot, so basically it has to be a shotgun cert or you arnt allowed to use it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 You can get magazine plugs in the US as some of their local bylaws ask for no more than 2+1 in some situations. I'm certain you would be able to mail order a plug (it's only a temporary fitting) but it effectively demonstrates that you can only load 2 into the magazine. If the law say you can't use more than 2+1, then I don't see how fitting a plug temporarily could be seen as contravening the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 just copied this from a wildfowling website; It is illegal to use a semi-automatic shotgun in the pursuit of wildfowl or game unless it is fitted with a device to prevent the firing of more than 3 cartridges in succession without reloading. THE LORD BE PRAISED !!! SOME ONE WHO KNOWS THE LAW !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 THE LORD BE PRAISED !!! SOME ONE WHO KNOWS THE LAW !! part of it anyway, as its FAC you still have to work with the conditions attached to their use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 part of it anyway, as its FAC you still have to work with the conditions attached to their use The part I under stand al4x is if it is used to shoot game & wildfowl it should only be a 3 shot & even if it is a 5 shot on a firearm ticket it should only be used as a 3 shots ie 2 in the mag & one in the chamber . Have seen people coming up here & laying into Ducks & Geese all to often with 5 shot auto's & some people believe if they have a it on a firearm ticket they can simply because its on a firearm cert . AS for the people from the boot shaped country well ! I puzzled as to why they are allowed to bring 5 shot auto's into this country to shoot game & wild fowl ? unless they are being supplied when the get here . Sorry to mention them but it is a fact I & my neighbours have witnessed . Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Question for you Polestar. Have you ever managed to join a thread and not mention our Italian friends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 the problem is that people confuse two laws and mix them together. the Firearms Act means that as it has been converted to 5 shot it is now and will remain a section 1 firearm and you will be required to abide by any restrictions placed on your FAC. ie usage/location/open licence the question as to use of a gun capable of more than 2 in magazine and 1 in chamber is under the wildlife and countryside act. this has been law for far longer than the current rules of the firearms act. Although I have more law knowledge than most due to my employment, I know my limitations. when the penalties for cocking it up could be so great, dont take a risk... check with BASC if a member or a solicitor/other organisation if not. Others may take the risk that you almost never get stopped, but if you do do you want to trust to people you have never met on a forum giving you advice on law??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Question for you Polestar. Have you ever managed to join a thread and not mention our Italian friends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GRIFF Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I would ring basc to clarify the law if I was you. I would think under the conditions on your fac you would not legally be allowed to shoot wildfowl even if you restrict it to 3 shots to comply with that side of the law.You are still limited to the condition on your ticket and can only shoot what your licence states you can shoot under the conditions of your fac. It very much depends on you firearms department wether they would add the condition to your licence, they may even put a long winded condition that states "only when the firearm is restricted to 3 shots, you may shoot wildfowl on land you have authority to shoot." But if the land you are shooting is club owned then you need to make sure that you are allowed by them to shoot a firearm as most wildfowling clubs don't allow firearms to be used, although it would only be a 3 shot semi auto it would still be classed as a firearm. I for one would be intrested to find out what basc have to say about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I would ring basc to clarify the law if I was you. I would think under the conditions on your fac you would not legally be allowed to shoot wildfowl even if you restrict it to 3 shots to comply with that side of the law.You are still limited to the condition on your ticket and can only shoot what your licence states you can shoot under the conditions of your fac. It very much depends on you firearms department wether they would add the condition to your licence, they may even put a long winded condition that states "only when the firearm is restricted to 3 shots, you may shoot wildfowl on land you have authority to shoot." But if the land you are shooting is club owned then you need to make sure that you are allowed by them to shoot a firearm as most wildfowling clubs don't allow firearms to be used, although it would only be a 3 shot semi auto it would still be classed as a firearm. I for one would be intrested to find out what basc have to say about it. +1 Better being safe than sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Question for you Polestar. Have you ever managed to join a thread and not mention our Italian friends? Yes mate take a look ! lots of other things on here . Atb Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Browning Posted December 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 the Firearms Act means that as it has been converted to 5 shot it is now and will remain a section 1 firearm and you will be required to abide by any restrictions placed on your FAC. ie usage/location/open licence The shotgun can be re-restricted and placed back on SGC, it just has to go through the proof house before transfer. The whole scenario is a strange one, and no-one that I can find (even BASC) have come across it before. I've decided I'll either swap/part-ex for a 3-shot SGC or replace the original crimped tube and get it re-proofed back to SGC just to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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