Winchester to introduce new rimfire cartridge.

[Dunkield]

Sounds like they are doing a great job getting the FPS obsessed brigade moist, and it isn't even out there yet

[matone]

HMR does what it was designed to do, but people believed the stories about it being a 250yd gun and still complain about it. There are blokes at my rifle club who still think the HMR is a 4000fps round, such is the mis-information about it.

 

I love my HMR because I accept what it can do and what it can't.

 

+1 I find the HMR to be the most used working rifle I`ve owned ! Just a very capable round imho .

Totally eclipses .22lr and yes I do have bigger calibers for bigger jobs !

[al4x]

Sounds like they are doing a great job getting the FPS obsessed brigade moist, and it isn't even out there yet

 

pretty much, I guess they are hoping for something that shoots as flat as the HMR with less windage and more clout, there isn't really a use for it in the UK IMHO as the HMR is already a bit strong for rabbits and the next quarry size up is foxes and if you are going to make the noise you might as well hit them with something big. I've had 9 in the last week and a bit and most could have been shot with the HMR 3 of them were a bit rangey but the rest would have been fine, but nothing beats the assertiveness the .243 puts them down with especially at sub 50 yards

[Catweazle]

but nothing beats the assertiveness the .243 puts them down with especially at sub 50 yards

 

You have a lovely turn of phrase, I bet at sub 50yds it asserted the carp out of them

[kent]

The 5mm Remington re-vamped sounds good but a shall not be getting one nor another .17 hmr. The .22 hornet c/f beats them both on harvestable rabbits, foxes (humanely) and corvids. If any magnum rimfire ammo was dirt cheap to purchase like .22 subs then that's a whole new perspective

[Brown Sauce]

I wonder how they've managed to heat treat the neck, so that it doesn't split under the increased pressure. Happens on my hmr once in every 10 to 20 rounds at 2345fps, so at 4000fps I'll be standing well back and using a suitable length of string to pull the trigger!!!

[Dunkield]

So at the last count (roughly) we had these, give or take a few, and someone thinks we need a new calibre

What is it they say about fools and their money...

 

.17 Ackley Hornet

.17 Mach IV

.17 PPC

.17 Remington

.17 Squirrel

.17-222

.17-223 Magnum

.19 Calhoon

.19-223 Calhoon

.20 PPC

.20 Practical

.20 Tactical

.20 Vartag

.20 Vartag Turbo

.204 Dead Dog

.204 Ruger

.218 Bee

.218 Mashburn Bee

.219 Donaldson Wasp

.219 Zipper

.22 BR Remington

.22 Cheetah

.22 Dasher

.22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer

.22 Hornet

.22 K-Hornet

.22 PPC USA

.22 Savage High Power

.22 WCF

.22/30-30 Ackley Improved

.220 Ackley

.220 Russian

.220 Swift

.220 Weatherby Rocket

.221 Remington Fireball

.22-15-60 Stevens

.222 Remington

.222 Remington Magnum

.22-243 IMSA

.22-243 Middlestead

.22-250 Ackley Improved

.22-250 Remington

.22-284

.223 Ackley Improved

.223 Remington

.223 WSSM

.22-30 Carbine

.224 Weatherby Magnum

.225 Winchester

.22-6mm Remington

.240 Belted Rimless NE

.240 H&H Flanged NE

.240 Incinerator

.240 Weatherby Magnum

.243 Ackley Improved

.243 Winchester

.243 WSSM

.244 H&H Magnum

.244 Remington

.25 Gibbs

.25 Hornet

.25 Remington

.25 WSSM

.250 Ackley Improved

.250 Savage

.250-3000 Savage

.25-06 Ackley Improved

.25-06 Remington

.25-20 Winchester

.25-284 Winchester

.25-300 Winchester Magnum

.25-300 WSM

.25-303

.25-35 Winchester

.25-36 Marlin

.256 Newton

.256 Universal

.256 Winchester Magnum

.257 Ackley Improved

.257 Apollo

.257 Roberts

.257 Roberts Ackley Improved

.257 STW

.257 Weatherby Magnum

.257-300 RUM

.25-7mm Remington Magnum

.260 Ackley Improved

.260 Remington

.264 Winchester Magnum

.264-300 Weatherby Magnum

.264-300 WSM

.264x06 Improved

.270 Ackley

.270 Dakota

.270 Gibbs

.270 STW

.270 Weatherby Magnum

.270 Winchester

.270 Winchester Improved

.270 WSM

.270-08 Ackley Improved

.270-284 Winchester

.275 H&H Magnum

.275 Rigby

.276 Dubiel

.280 Ackley

.280 Remington

.280 Remington Improved

.28-30

.284 Winchester

.30 Benchrest Remington

.30 Gibbs

.30 Kovacs

.30 Newton

.30 R Blaser

.30 Remington

.30 US Carbine

.300 Belted Rimless Magnum

.300 Dakota

.300 H&H Flanged NE

.300 H&H Magnum

.300 Jarrett

.300 Pegasus

.300 Phoenix

.300 Remington SAUM

.300 Remington Ultra Magnum

.300 Savage

.300 Sherwood

.300 Styria Magnum

.300 Weatherby Magnum

.300 Whisper

.300 Winchester Magnum

.300 WSM

.30-06 Ackley Improved

.30-06 Springfield

.30-20 Thompson Center

.30-20 Winchester

.303 British

.303 Savage

.303 Westley Richards

.30-30 Ackley Improved

.30-30 Wesson

.30-30 Winchester

.30-338 Winchester Magnum

.30-378 Weatherby Magnum

.30-40 Ackley Improved

.30-40 Krag

.30-40 Wesson

.30-404 Improved

.307 Winchester

.308 Ackley Improved

.308 Baer

.308 Norma Magnum

.30-8 Remington Magnum

.308 Winchester

.30x47

.318 Rimless NE

.32 French MAS

.32 remington

.32 Winchester Special

.32-20 WCF

.323 Hollis

.32-40 Remington Hepburn

.32-40 WCF

.325 WSM

.33 Winchester

.330 Dakota

.333 Jeffery Flanged

.333 OKH Belted

.333 Rimless NE

.338 Edge

.338 Federal

.338 Lapua Magnum

.338 Remington Ultra Magnum

.338 Whisper

.338 Winchester Magnum

.338-06

.338-06 Ackley Improved

.338-350 Remington Magnum

.338-378

.338-378 KT

.338-378 Weatherby Magnum

.338-404 Jeffery

.340 Weatherby Magnum

.348 Winchester

.35 Remington

.35 Whelen

.35 Whelen Improved

.35 Winchester

.350 Remington Magnum

.350 Rigby NE

.351 Winchester Self-Loading

.35-284

.35-300 Winchester Magnum

.356 Winchester

.357 Magnum (Rifle)

.358 Norma Magnum

.358 STA

.358 Winchester

.360 No.2 Nitro Express

.369 Purdey NE

.375 2 1/2" Nitro Express

.375 Dakota

.375 Flanged

.375 H&H Improved

.375 H&H Magnum

.375 RUM

.375 Weatherby Magnum

.375 Whelen Improved

.375 Winchester

.375-08 Winchester

.375-284

.375-338 Winchester Magnum

.375-404 Jefferey

.376 Steyr

.378 Weatherby Magnum

.38-40 Winchester

.38-55 Winchester&Ballard

.38-56 WCF

.38-70

.38-72 WCF

.400 3" Purdey

.400-350 Nitro Express

.400-375 Belted H&H

.401 Winchester

.404 Jeffery

.404 Rimless NE

.405 Winchester

.40-65 WCF

.40-70 Sharps Straight

.40-82 WCF

.41 Remington Magnum (rifle)

.416 Barnes

.416 Dakota

.416 Hoffman

.416 Raptor

.416 Remington Magnum

.416 Rigby

.416 Taylor

.416 Weatherby Magnum

.425 Westley Richards

.43 Mauser

.43 Spanish

.44 Kunz

.44 Remington Magnum (Rifle)

.444 Marlin

.44-40 Winchester

.45 Colt (rifle)

.450 3 1/4" Nitro Express

.450 Ackley Magnum

.450 Alaskan

.450 Dakota

.450 Marlin

.450 Nitro

.450 Nitro Express

.450 No.2 Nitro Express

.450 Rigby

.450 Vincent Long

.450 Vincent Short

.450-400 3 1/4"

.450-400 3" NE

.450-400 Magnum NE

.45-110 Sharps

.45-120 Sharps

.45-70 Government

.45-75 WCF

.458 American

.458 Express

.458 Lott

.458 Winchester Magnum

.45-90 WCF

.460 G&A

.460 Weatherby Magnum

.470 Capstick

.470 Nitro Express

.475 Nitro Express

.475 No.2 Nitro Express

.475-416 Rigby Improved

.476 Westley Richards

.50 Alaskan

.50 Beowulf

.50 BMG

.50 Peacekeeper

.500 3 1/4" BPE

.500 3" BPE

.500 A-Square

.500 Bruiser

.500 Jeffery NE

.500 Nitro Express 3"

.500-416 Rigby

.500-450 NE

.500-450 No.1 Express

.500-465 NE

.50-110 Winchester

.50-110 Winchester Express

.50-140 Sharps

.50-140 Winchester Express

.505 Gibbs

.50-90 Sharps

.50-95 Winchester Express

.56-50 Spencer

.577 Nitro Express 2.75"

.577 Nitro Express 3"

.577 Snider

.577 Tyrannosaur

.577-450 Martini-Henry

.585 Gehringer

.585 Nyati

.600 Nitro Express

.600-577 REWA

.700 Nitro Express

43 Egyptian

6.5-300 Weatherby

8mm-308

8x56mm Mannlicher Schoenauer

 

Calibers (metric names)

 

10.3x60R mm Swiss

11.2x60mm Mauser

11.35x52R Dutch Beaumont

11.3x50Rmm Beaumont M71

11.7x51R Danish Remington

11x59Rmm French Gras

12.11x44R Remington M67

5.6 x 57 RWS

5.7mm Johnson

5mm Craig

6.3x53R Finnish

6.5 Gibbs

6.5 Grendel

6.5 Japanese

6.5 PPC

6.5 Roberts Improved

6.5 WSM

6.5-06

6.5-06 Ackley Improved

6.5-284 Norma

6.5-284 Winchester

6.53 Scramjet

6.5-300 WSM

6.5mm Mannlicher Schoenauer

6.5mm Remington Magnum

6.5mm Remington SAUM

6.5mm STW

6.5mm-08

6.5x47 Lapua

6.5x50R

6.5x52 Carcano

6.5x54 R

6.5x55 Ackley Improved

6.5x55 Krag

6.5x55 Mauser

6.5x55 SKAN

6.5x57 Mauser

6.5x58 Portuguese Mauser

6.5x64 Brenneke

6.5x65R RWS

6.5x68 RWS

6.8mm Remington SPC

6mm Ackley Improved

6mm BR Remington

6mm BRX

6mm Pelham Magnum

6mm PPC USA

6mm Remington

6mm TCU

6mm Thermos Bottle

6mm-06

6mm-284 Winchester

6x45 Ackley Improved

6x45mm

6x47 Lapua

6x51 Atzl

7.21 Firebird

7.21 Firehawk

7.21 Tomahawk

7.5x54 French MAS

7.5x55 Swiss

7.62x39 Russian

7.62x45 Czech

7.62x51 NATO

7.62x54R Russian

7.65x53mm Belgian Mauser

7.7mm Japanese

7.82 Lazzaroni Patriot

7.82 Lazzaroni Warbird

7.92x33 Kurz

7-30 Waters

7mm Dakota

7mm Express/280 Remington

7mm JRS

7mm Mashburn Super Magnum

7mm Remington BR

7mm Remington Magnum

7mm Remington Ultra Magnum

7mm SAUM

7mm STW

7mm T&R Magnum

7mm TCU

7mm Weatherby Magnum

7mm WSM

7mm-06

7mm-08 Ackley Improved

7mm-08 Remington

7mm-300 Weatherby Magnum

7x33 Sako

7x54

7x57 Ackley

7x57 Mauser

7x57 R

7x61 Super

7x64 Brenneke

7x65 R

7x66 Super Express Von Hoffe

8.2x53R Finnish

8mm Gibbs

8mm Kropatschek

8mm Remington Magnum

8mm-06

8mm-300 H&H Magnum

8x52R med mer Siamese

8X56 R Hungarian

8x57 JS

8x57 JSR

8x58 R

8x60 RS

8x60 S

8x63mm Swedish

8x64S Brenneke

8x68 S

9.3x57 Mauser

9.3x62 Mauser

9.3x64 Brenneke

9.3x66 Sako

9.3x72 R

9.3x74 R

9.53 Saturn

9.5mm Mannlicher Schoenauer

9.5mm x 60R Turkish Mauser

9x56 Mannlicher Schoenauer

[al4x]

If you drop everything on that list that isn't rimfire then you don't have many left

[Dunkield]

Maybe there are some new animals that have been invented that can't be killed with any of those

[Bazooka Joe]

If any magnum rimfire ammo was dirt cheap to purchase like .22 subs then that's a whole new perspective

 

In one, it might make or brake it.

 

Speed sells, same as the HMR when it came out,

 

Hornadays 17 not even off the ground yet, so it'll be interesting to see what Winchesters got up it's sleeve, just hope it'll live up to the hype.

[al4x]

Maybe there are some new animals that have been invented that can't be killed with any of those

 

ah but the reason we are no longer living like apes is down to evolution man cannot just be happy with whats available he does have to keep looking for improvements!

[Bewsher500]

pretty much, I guess they are hoping for something that shoots as flat as the HMR with less windage and more clout, there isn't really a use for it in the UK IMHO as the HMR is already a bit strong for rabbits and the next quarry size up is foxes and if you are going to make the noise you might as well hit them with something big.

 

So true. we have a much narrowing "varmint" category of quarry here compared to the US and IMO the HMR is more than required for bunnies unless you constantly shoot them at the limit of the calibre's range

just too messy and noisy

[njc110381]

I've always been keen to see new calibres but would be wary of new rimfires. At least with a centrefire you can make your own ammo if the supply gets cut - with a rimfire you're screwed.

 

I guess if they can throw out nearer Hornet energy from a rimfire then that's no bad thing. In fact it could be very good. If they made it .22 flavour it could be semi auto too...

[rimmie]

It does sound a good round, a sort of .17 hmr with a bit more clout ! But as njc says if it flops and you have a rifle you'll eventually have to get ammo imported from the states witch will be very pricey !! I am looking forward to seeing what happens next year

Edited December 19, 2012 by rimmie

[colin lad]

You have a lovely turn of phrase, I bet at sub 50yds it asserted the carp out of them

i see al4x drop a fox with his 243 at 30 yards and you could of fit a tennis ball in the exit wound

 

colin

[Dekers]

Ha Ha, isn't speculation a wonderful thing.............

 

:good:

 

I heard it was going to be .5inch and do 4500ft sec, be perfect for bunnies, destroy every centrefire and only cost 10p a cartridge, but I bet it won't catch on ...... :lol:

 

Merry Christmas, it was a hell of a party yesterday!

[Dunkield]

I understand there is slight delay as Winchester are having a few problems re-writing the laws of physics.

 

But NJC is filling out a variation already...