marktattoo Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 If it wasn't for labour we wouldn't be in the financial mire were in today! Ironic how labour supports the workshy class, most labour supporters don't know what labour is! Been as it started in America with the global banks, and most of the major econnomies have been hit some more than others, reaguardless of what political leadership is in place think you would find we would still have problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Perhaps not so bad though, at the end of the day labour borrowed to the hilt, had they not we wouldn't have been so badly hit and would have a stronger recovery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffryn Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) Erm the ones is Notts / Leics who kept working still got stuffed up by her & her cronies the world is a better place with her not in power // An inefficient industry that was being propped up by other tax payers it could not continue. In any other industry( one not being propped up) they would go to the wall and have to reinvent themselves , this happens every day. I'm sorry but not for one second disputing how hard the miners worked the fact is they deserve no more protection than the rest of us. If the business isn't viable - it has to go and be replaced by one that is Edited January 6, 2013 by Duffryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 An inefficient industry that was being propped up by other tax payers it could not continue. In any other industry( one not being propped up) they would go to the wall and have to reinvent themselves , this happens every day. I'm sorry but not for one second disputing how hard the miners worked the fact is they deserve no more protection than the rest of us. If the business isn't viable - it has to go and be replaced by one that is The sound of a nail being hit on the head.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandytommo Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 The best PM we ever had. Had the balls to make difficult decisions, got the countries debt under control and the country back on track. Typical cycle - Labour get in and spend spend spend, conservatives rescue it, set the country back on track but everyone goes through pain in the process ( and most people think relatively short term ) so labour get voted back in and the cycle continues. Don't get me wrong the conservatives make lots of mistakes along the way but nothing compared to Labour ! So hopefully the dumb libs who've been stitched up by the blues & got the ******* back in to power will vote the right the way next time this is a minority govt most people don't want them. Bring on the next election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktattoo Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 An inefficient industry that was being propped up by other tax payers it could not continue. In any other industry( one not being propped up) they would go to the wall and have to reinvent themselves , this happens every day. I'm sorry but not for one second disputing how hard the miners worked the fact is they deserve no more protection than the rest of us. If the business isn't viable - it has to go and be replaced by one that is going off that how comes lyods / tsb are still in business etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 i wasnt a fan but i enjoyed the film it was well made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffryn Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 So hopefully the dumb libs who've been stitched up by the blues & got the ******* back in to power will vote the right the way next time this is a minority govt most people don't want them. Bring on the next election and there goes the cycle pointed out in the original post ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffryn Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) going off that how comes lyods / tsb are still in business etc etc Lloyds were under pressure to do the deal from Labour ( who created the mess). It back fired. They have been propped up because the cost of the failure was too great to the public at that time. Long term unless they re invent themselves they too will go bust. Edited January 6, 2013 by Duffryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 She was the best. The comment re families being split made me laugh, what about the democratic view of respecting others. There was nothing democratic about the strike, Scargill wanted to bring the govt down as he had done before. Secondary picketing was the most undemocratic action ever. Socialism does not work and Scargill ( along with John Prescott ) is the worst type of socialist. If the laws Mrs Thatcher brought in were so bad, why has no govt ever repealed them? I left school at 16 with 1 "o" level in 1983, did the usual yts scheme etc and still look back at Mrs T with fond memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffryn Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 She was the best. The comment re families being split made me laugh, what about the democratic view of respecting others. There was nothing democratic about the strike, Scargill wanted to bring the govt down as he had done before. Secondary picketing was the most undemocratic action ever. Socialism does not work and Scargill ( along with John Prescott ) is the worst type of socialist. If the laws Mrs Thatcher brought in were so bad, why has no govt ever repealed them? I left school at 16 with 1 "o" level in 1983, did the usual yts scheme etc and still look back at Mrs T with fond memories. Superb ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 going off that how comes lyods / tsb are still in business etc etc Lloyds were under pressure to do the deal from Labour ( who created the mess). It back fired. They have been propped up because the cost of the failure was too great to the public at that time. Long term unless they re invent themselves they too will go bust. The whole system is corrupt. If we behaved like the people in power we would be locked up. Arguing about it is futile. As somebody already pointed out. Avoid politics & religion. Peace out! ✌ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffryn Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Whether you like it or not ( I agree that there is corruption on both sides) it is the area that has the greatest impact on our lives. Whatever your political persuasion you have a vote. Use it and it counts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 As an aside, my Mrs used to audit the NCB when she was training as an accountant and the subsidies were eyewatering. If you want socialism, go and live in Cuba or the old USSR. Strangely enough, most do not want to. if she stood for PM now i would vote for her. She had a big brass pair. As has been said, the tories did not get everything right, but did get most things. Balls cannot even give a straight answer as to why new communism got us into this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandytommo Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 She was the best. The comment re families being split made me laugh, what about the democratic view of respecting others. There was nothing democratic about the strike, Scargill wanted to bring the govt down as he had done before. Secondary picketing was the most undemocratic action ever. Socialism does not work and Scargill ( along with John Prescott ) is the worst type of socialist. If the laws Mrs Thatcher brought in were so bad, why has no govt ever repealed them? I left school at 16 with 1 "o" level in 1983, did the usual yts scheme etc and still look back at Mrs T with fond memories. Sad hope you get a life it's not about socialism etc . it's about how you treat other human beings. Mrs T just opened the the flood gates to say it's ok to be a greedy ******* and absolve yourself from any kind of social responsibility we get the likes of John Terry/Jeffrey Archer for role models for our kids Thanks Mrs T !!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Is that apposed to the role models of the seventies ( jimmy savile) you have a warped moral compass that can't see all the good she did for the country yes she made mistakes but overall she has to be the best pm we have had excluding chuchills war time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I left school in 82 and come from a mining village , all I'm going to say is it took two to tango Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksaplenty Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Who can argue that the Thatcherite deregulation of financial markets was a bad thing? The resulting cost to the country make the subsides given to the mining industry look like peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Scar gill used the miners to gain for his own pocket ,I would cross the road to slap him, still gaining to this day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Yes, I think we all need to stop and think what Unions have done for us! Some (not many) will say 'Oh they saved my job'. But look back in time and ask how many were sacrificed for the ambitions of a few. Longbridge Car Works - Gone. Red Robbo lives in comfort. Mining - Gone. Scargill lives in comfort Recently the MoD has been decimated by cuts negotiated in collaboration with the Unions, nearly every convenor I know at MoD sites whilst being made redundant then moved into a post of full time official with the Union ( that is a lot of job creation) at cost to Union membership. I am now retired but nearly every month my union try to pick my pension pocket. Make no mistake Unions are a bad business. Nearly always managed and motivated by people with Communist leanings but happy to feed off the gravy train. How on Earth we can keep listening to the like of Lord Prescott and Lord Digby Jones I will never know. The real problem with Britain now is that the majority do not read Party election manifestos and worse still cannot be bothered to vote, so don't complain, you got what you elected. If you say don't blame me I couldn't be bothered to vote, shame on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 She was the best. The comment re families being split made me laugh, what about the democratic view of respecting others. There was nothing democratic about the strike, Scargill wanted to bring the govt down as he had done before. Secondary picketing was the most undemocratic action ever. Socialism does not work and Scargill ( along with John Prescott ) is the worst type of socialist. If the laws Mrs Thatcher brought in were so bad, why has no govt ever repealed them? I left school at 16 with 1 "o" level in 1983, did the usual yts scheme etc and still look back at Mrs T with fond memories. sums it up nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Without a doubt she was the worst PM in history !! thousands of people still suffer to this day from her pathetic decisions !! The same could be said of the last two Labour PMs though in fairness. Brown for his indecision and bungling at the outset of of the banking crisis and as for Mr Blair, how many are dead and how many millions are still suffering as a direct result of his wonderful ideas? I'm not saying that Maggie was the best thing ever, but it is really easy to turn those kinds of arguments around on pretty much any leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 The same could be said of the last two Labour PMs though in fairness. Brown for his indecision and bungling at the outset of of the banking crisis and as for Mr Blair, how many are dead and how many millions are still suffering as a direct result of his wonderful ideas? I'm not saying that Maggie was the best thing ever, but it is really easy to turn those kinds of arguments around on pretty much any leader. Fair point however i was only commenting on the OP and not politic's in general, We could debate this subject till the cows come home but one would be hard pushed to name one PM who was as hell bent on putting people out of work as maggie was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) I often listen to the ranting of some acquaintances calling Maggie to hell and back. The irony of it all is they were not even working when she was in power yet they seem to have been brainwashed into believing she is or was the Devil Incarnate. I was a working man then, just .as she came to power and all I will say is I was a damned site better off then than I am now. I despise David Cameron and his out of touch ways as much as I despise Milliband and his equally out of touch ways. No modern Politician seems to have the balls to face up to a problem in public like she did. The modern way seems to be spin and back door tactics. If she was around now, I would vote for her Edited January 7, 2013 by Sprackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 What I love about this forum is the balance of opinion and measured responses I am no fan of Maggie but a thought the film was sympathetic without being mushy. Denisand her mutual devotion came across very well and I thought that the way her loss and declining health are portrayed makes it worth watching, regardless of the politics. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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