I bet many of you are enjoying the "Iron Lady" on ITV?

[al4x]

Council tax is set up purely to keep the Northern contingent happy, If you own a house down south you will pay far more than the same house up North Fact, keeps the Labour voters happy and hence the Poll tax that would have righted things got on their man boobs as much.

[shaun4860]

I don't have a problem with that, but surely everyone under the same council should get the same services?

 

They don't, which is why those that get better services should pay more

 

Also this is now going off topic,

 

We are supposed to be defending Maggie

 

Edited January 9, 2013 by shaun4860

[al4x]

Have a look at where most of your council tax goes, a colossal chunk is on social housing which I'd suggest is mostly in the iffy areas then the policing requirements in those same areas is far higher. On that basis they probably get far more of the budget while the better areas get their bins emptied and possibly grass cut

[evo]

i left school in 1980,started on a yts for 12 months,got kept on,served my time,left to open my own buisness, i have never been on the dole and why,because Maggie taught me that if i wanted to sit on my backside and not work like most of my old mates then i would suffer,

 

she certainly put her foot down and because she was so straight people didn,t like it, she was voted in for a reason, yes it was because labour had brought our country to its knees

 

we are still suffering now because of labour and will do for years to come but IMO if maggie was still in power we would not be in the state we are in

 

LONG LIVE MARGARET THATCHER

[fenboy]

I can also remember when the only way you could get a job as a docker or printer on three times the average wage was to be related to one and that was why they shut down most of the docks and stopped printing papers in fleet street great days if you are one of the lucky ones and unions claim to be there for the low paid what a joke.

 

I do not agree with some things that she did like selling off all of the council houses big mistake and selling off gas electric and water and the railways was bad but then it was the only way to stop the unions holding us all to ransom.

 

But if she had , not sold off all those council houses they would mostly now be filled with single mothers popping out a baby each year for the benefit money , while those that need them are way down the waiting list !

[al4x]

But if she had , not sold off all those council houses they would mostly now be filled with single mothers popping out a baby each year for the benefit money , while those that need them are way down the waiting list !

 

the number being built and that have been built over the years is immense, so don't fall for the there are no council houses left. Who gets them is another matter

[Paul223]

Ok who's bored enough to do an analogy like this

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/233246-us-debt-in-perspective/#entry2020879

But for the uk in 1979, 1996, and now, that would make interesting reading!

[keg]

i left school in 1980,started on a yts for 12 months,got kept on,served my time,left to open my own buisness, i have never been on the dole and why,because Maggie taught me that if i wanted to sit on my backside and not work like most of my old mates then i would suffer,

 

she certainly put her foot down and because she was so straight people didn,t like it, she was voted in for a reason, yes it was because labour had brought our country to its knees

 

we are still suffering now because of labour and will do for years to come but IMO if maggie was still in power we would not be in the state we are in

 

LONG LIVE MARGARET THATCHER

 

Hear Hear.

 

Shaun, i hear what you are saying but have to politely disagree. We supposedly live in the "nicer" part of the village, why people think that i am not sure.

 

We have never been gritted in the 11 years i have lived there. They resurfaced the next road to ours but not ours, depite it being in a worse state. I could go on..

 

As an aside, i am really enjoying this debate.

[lumpy]

 

 

LONG LIVE MARGARET THATCHER

 

Fortunately she's not going to :yay: Best get polishing my dancing shoe's !

[overandunder2012]

I thought that the saddest element of the film was the constant referral to her alleged current state of mental health.

 

Would a film about Harold Wilson have majored on his dementia (in the latter stages of his time in office and upon retirement)?

probably if thats how he ended up

[bridges]

Labout fatally wounded British industry when it was nationalised by Attlee and co. after the war. Thatcher just turned off the life support machine.

[AVB]

 

 

Hear Hear.

 

Shaun, i hear what you are saying but have to politely disagree. We supposedly live in the "nicer" part of the village, why people think that i am not sure.

 

We have never been gritted in the 11 years i have lived there. They resurfaced the next road to ours but not ours, depite it being in a worse state. I could go on..

 

As an aside, i am really enjoying this debate.

 

The answer given as to why some roads are gritted vs those that are not is normally that they are bus routes. Could that be the reason?

[shaun4860]

The answer given as to why some roads are gritted vs those that are not is normally that they are bus routes. Could that be the reason?

 

nope, the roads im on about are not on bus routes (private estates with no social housing), although quite a few councillors live on these estates.....(another fact), not that im insituating that is the reason

 

as far as im concerned it should be either everyone gets gritted or nobody gets gritted, and all services should be equal regardless of your address, THEN I would agree everyone should pay the same

 

might be where you all live but its not here,

 

And Keg, I too am enjoying the debate....10 pages and still going strong

 

 

Edited to add sheep...lol

Edited January 9, 2013 by shaun4860

[keg]

Agreed, we are a cul-de-sac so do not know if that makes any difference.

[gemini52]

i actually foung old maggie to be quite a horny iron lady, think im attracted to the powerfull dominant type, matt

You need therapy

[keg]

Oh i don't know .....

[bullet1747]

Council tax is set up purely to keep the Northern contingent happy, If you own a house down south you will pay far more than the same house up North Fact, keeps the Labour voters happy and hence the Poll tax that would have righted things got on their man boobs as much.

I moved out of a village 7 weeks back to a house in the country 1 1/2 mile away ,the village had all the gear you pay for if ya no wot I mean, the new house has cess pits ,no gas, three street lights , no bus service and I pay nearly three hundred quid more, two good points for me is the canal at the bottom of the garden better start fishing and some permission 10 feet from my front gate

[-Mongrel-]

Council tax is set up purely to keep the Northern contingent happy, If you own a house down south you will pay far more than the same house up North Fact, keeps the Labour voters happy and hence the Poll tax that would have righted things got on their man boobs as much.

the number being built and that have been built over the years is immense, so don't fall for the there are no council houses left. Who gets them is another matter

 

I think you and I would get on, you type a lot of sense. The shift from (fairer) Poll Tax to (less fair) Council Tax was a purely political exercise, no doubt about that!

 

Even in the prosperous South East here, the greatest number of homes currently being built, are Social Housing. That basically means it's housing association, which is Govt subsidised, and most of their tenants come from the local authoritys list, which serves two purposes. It reduces the load on local council as the maintenance costs go to the HA's while also making the councils housing waiting lists look so much better!

[Boromir]

What destroyed Britain was the Unions and people wanting more for less. Unions got too greedy they lost and took down their industry with them.

[evo]

greed is what has ruined britain, and bums wanting everything for nothing, not prepared to pull their weight but first to moan if they didn,t get

[tandytommo]

What destroyed Britain was the Unions and people wanting more for less. Unions got too greedy they lost and took down their industry with them.

I I agree with what you are saying about greed it is the main cause of the mess we are in now. Shame that no body has the balls to take down the bankers (may be their union is called the Conservative Party?)

[Paul223]

You'd be off your trolley if you think it'd be a good idea to take down the banking system....

[amateur]

What destroyed Britain was the Unions ......

 

I disagree - in my experience the grasping unions came about because of weak management.

 

The quality of nationalised industry management in the 50's, 60's and 70's was lamentable, and in the search for a quiet life and given the strong market for British goods, management conceded far too much to the unions so that costs increased and quality fell. and, worse still, not enough effort was made in improving systems and products to match or exceed the competition

 

All Margaret Thatcher did was recognise this and give progressive management the opportunity to sort it out

[Gimlet]

I I agree with what you are saying about greed it is the main cause of the mess we are in now. Shame that no body has the balls to take down the bankers (may be their union is called the Conservative Party?)

 

The banks did not cause Britain's debt crisis, government spending did. The amount used to 'bail out' the three failed banking groups (and that's all there was - four after Gordon Brown dangled a knighthood in front of Victor Blank and duped him into leading Lloyds into the abyss as well) was infinitessimal compared to the quanities spent to create Brown's client state over the preceeding 11 years. And it was Brown again, guided by Ed Balls, who emasculated the Bank of England and disabled the system of banking regulation he inherited when he entered no.11 in order to increase the money supply through debt, ceate the illusion of presperity as a screen for massive tax increases and expand the public sector to 50% of the GDP, double what is sustainable.

Blaming the banks for Britain's ruin is like allowing your house to become soaked in petrol and then blaming the irresponsible combustibility of fuel when it inevitably catches fire.

 

The Conservatives were not to blame. Mrs Thatcher was not to blame. It was, as ever, Labour and the blind unthinking pursuit of worn out, discredited, distructive Marxist economics.

[shaun4860]

 

The banks did not cause Britain's debt crisis, government spending did. The amount used to 'bail out' the three failed banking groups (and that's all there was - four after Gordon Brown dangled a knighthood in front of Victor Blank and duped him into leading Lloyds into the abyss as well) was infinitessimal compared to the quanities spent to create Brown's client state over the preceeding 11 years. And it was Brown again, guided by Ed Balls, who emasculated the Bank of England and disabled the system of banking regulation he inherited when he entered no.11 in order to increase the money supply through debt, ceate the illusion of presperity as a screen for massive tax increases and expand the public sector to 50% of the GDP, double what is sustainable.

Blaming the banks for Britain's ruin is like allowing your house to become soaked in petrol and then blaming the irresponsible combustibility of fuel when it inevitably catches fire.

 

The Conservatives were not to blame. Mrs Thatcher was not to blame. It was, as ever, Labour and the blind unthinking pursuit of worn out, discredited, distructive Marxist economics.