CaptC Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 There is a long established gunshop in Gloucester where I recently bought a quite expensiveshotgun. I had it looked when I got home by a gunsmith friend who said it was only just in proof - The shop told me it was "well in proof" which I believed. The gun I was told,has a 12 month warranty - but now the gunshop will not make any contact at all despite four attempts. My gunsmith friend suggested I ask the shop to pay to reproof - no answer! I want to keep the gun as it shoots well. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Read up on sale of goods act, write letter...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsmark Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Is it not worth the journey, face/face? i know its a fair way but might be worth a try. Whats the cost of a reproof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) reproof is about £80 + shipping and VAT IIRC. Have a read here: http://www.gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html'>http://www.gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html Chance of a £5k fine doesnt seem worth their risk not to be sure........I would get it measured first by a proper gunsmith with a borescope first Birmingham Proof House address: The Proof Master, The Gun Barrel Proof House, Banbury Street, Birmingham. B5 5RH Telephone: 0121 643 3860 Fax 0121 643 7872 Email: info@gunproof.com http://www.gunproof.com London Proof House address: The Proof Master, The Proof House, 48 Commercial Road, London. E1 1LP Telephone: 0207 481 2695 Edited January 7, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I bought the gun F2F after the sales talk on the phone - 340 mile round trip! As to the sale of goods act - possibly the way to go but, in fairness, I will try a call tomorrow. Reproof is about £200 plus? I reproof is about £80 + shipping and VAT IIRC. Have a read here: http://www.gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html'>http://www.gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html'>http://www.gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html Chance of a £5k fine doesnt seem worth their risk not to be sure........I would get it measured first by a proper gunsmith with a borescope I did - that's why I found out that the proof was minimal. Came as a bit of a shock! reproof is about £80 + shipping and VAT IIRC. Have a read here: http://www.gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html Chance of a £5k fine doesnt seem worth their risk not to be sure........I would get it measured first by a proper gunsmith with a borescope first Birmingham Proof House address: The Proof Master, The Gun Barrel Proof House, Thanks for that one - Its a London gun so would be best to London proof it hence the £200 quote!!! Banbury Street, Birmingham. B5 5RH Telephone: 0121 643 3860 Fax 0121 643 7872 Email: info@gunproof.com http://www.gunproof.com London Proof House address: The Proof Master, The Proof House, 48 Commercial Road, London. E1 1LP Telephone: 0207 481 2695 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) If proof is "minimal" rather than "beyond limits" then it is in proof and down to the description, ideally you have something in writing? Some info here: http://whatconsumer.co.uk/second-hand/ http://www.legislati...k/ukpga/1979/54 13 Sale by description. (1) Where there is a contract for the sale of goods by description, there is an implied [F9term] that the goods will correspond with the description. [ F10(1A) As regards England and Wales and Northern Ireland, the term implied by subsection (1) above is a condition.] (2) If the sale is by sample as well as by description it is not sufficient that the bulk of the goods corresponds with the sample if the goods do not also correspond with the description. (3) A sale of goods is not prevented from being a sale by description by reason only that, being exposed for sale or hire, they are selected by the buyer. (4) Paragraph 4 of Schedule 1 below applies in relation to a contract made before 18 May 1973. Edited January 7, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) Many thanks HDAV - I appreciate your efforts. Being told (and stupidly not getting it written down or re checked in the shop) that the gun was well in proof I took them at their word - an old fshioned concept sadly lacking nowadays. What really jars me is the shop not getting back to me. Just a final question as the gun is very lightly choked would any of you Pigeonaires have it Teagued? It is, as said earlier, a nearly best London gun. Thanks for all the posts - Edited January 7, 2013 by CaptC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 depends on the gun...............Mr teague would be the man to advise and isnt too far from glos............. http://www.teagueprecisionchokesltd.co.uk/prices.html depends on the gun (if there is enough metal) Teaguing would require reproof so suggest you send it to him for appraisal if it if possible to reproof it afterwards or not! What gun? (PM me if preferred) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 A Joseph Lang sidelock circa 1912. Mr Teague, who I contacted said he could do it and was more than helpful - my worry is the ethics of doing it to a S/S London gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I would get the situation with the shop sorted first if it fails proof after teaguing you have at best a wall hanger, at worst some scrap.... Worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Passing re-proof is not without risk to the gun ! I would try for a refund first . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Very true re the re wallhanger! Knowing my luck the worst scenario would happen! There is plenty of "meat" in the barrels but a registered letter will be sent before I do anything. The daft thing is that I bought the gun after having had a refund from another dealer who sold me a L/H gun without mentioning it in the advert - So folks be very, very careful buying any gun from a dealer's internet site! The Lang is a lovely gun and I wish to keep it so will try the letter route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 When i had my rifle reprofed at Birmingham i booked it in and wated for it to be done and it came to a minimum pechase of £50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Proofing is £35-40 a barrel iirc if it's chamber pitting it can be sleeved..... Where was the left hooker? Not many about........ I shoot lefthanded so interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Although I personally wouldn't have it Teagued it would be interesting to hear his views on the proof, I doubt there are many with his engineering knowledge of shotgun barrels. What are the figures ? When your gunshop says "just in proof" that could mean that although the barrels have grown since it was manufactured they may not grow any more, steel has a habit of stretching a bit past it's elastic limit then it attains it's ultimate tensile strength and will take a fair bit of load before stretching any more. It's why highly stressed steel parts like big end bolts are often one use items, they are deliberately stressed beyond the elastic limit to attain their UTS. Whether this applies to the steel in your barrels, I wouldn't like to guess, but I'm sure Mr Teague will know. I hope you post the outcome, it's interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I really sympathise with you and can only wonder how the the long established gunshop in Gloucester has stayed in business for so long! Personally I would not Teague choke a London gun as I would rather keep it as standard. I once had a similar problem with a Monks Ejector which I bought in a sale which was sold barely in proof - In the end I had to contact Trading Standards and I eventually had a full refund. Good luck, I hope it all works out for you in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubajohn Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 i sympathise too and very interesting let us all no the outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 When I phoned the gunshop I was told it had .4 thou left in each barrel = more than enough for my life time and another one or two. When accurately measured at my friends shop it read .738 and .339 ergo in one 1 barrel it only has 1 thou to go. His very close inspection revealed that the bores had been honed and there was very slight pitting. The joint was tight as was the face so it should, according to him "sail through proof". You will all have to wait until Mr Teague gets the gun in February as its my only gun and I need it for the last 3 weeks of the season. Re the left hander - If you want the details PM me. (That little episode took a long time to get a refund!) I'm now going to write that letter ------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun sam Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 name and shame the shop so no other members get caught by them. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 You may find the choking is quite adaquate especially in a hand made gun it will have been regulated to put a percentage of pellets in a given circle at a given distance. I thought there was another way of increasing choke rather than fitting the screw in thinggys? Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I am awaiting the guns history from Messrs Atkin Lang and Grant who now own the Lang business. As Blackpowder rightly says the gun would have faced the pattern plate at 25 yards - but in those days (100 years ago) the cartridges were very different! The test will come this weekend on, hopefully, some stratospheric Cornish pheasants. As someone said in the pub - It only takes one pellet! I am not naming the shop - unless there is no kind of compromise. The letter is on its way by registered post. A full report soon ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I thought there was another way of increasing choke rather than fitting the screw in thinggys? You're correct, it's called jug choking. It involves boring out a section of barrel before the existing choke, to give the existing choke more effect. As you say, it must be worth trying on a pattern plate first. I have got very good patterns from Express Supreme Game, a 2.5" cartridge that can be used in older guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 The gun at present will take up to 1.1/8ozs - As it weighs only about 6lb 4 ozs anything more than the traditional 1. 1/16th would tend to make it (and me) rattle. There is, i think, another way of changing the pattern and that is to bore out the forcing cones. Not a road I want to go down. Mr Teague knows best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Shucks, i thought this was a limerick...lets see... From a certain gunshop in Gloucester A shotgun went onto my roster But the gun wasn't great and now I'm irate So watch out or else it'll cost ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Doctor Foster comes to mind but the last post was very good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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