security level 3

[bi9johnny]

just had a policeman round to the house because i have put in a variation on my fac for 5 more calibre's and mods

he went right around my house checking the doors and windows,locks,alarm,back gate, garden fence, pir's,outside lights you name it he checked it and took photo's

then he checks my cabinet in my study/office....cabinet 1 a big buffalo river bolted to outside wall no probs "you'll get 20 in that hey"....yes mate

cabinet 2 bolted to internal wall with 2 great big horrible padlocks on it..."don't like that one and where it is any chance of moving it"....i'll buy another and leave that one for air rifle

 

just emailed him now to say i now have another great big one and will fit it tonight so i can now increase my holding to 40 and you can inspect tomorrow

 

he also asked is everything ok at work "no stress".......how's the marriage "no problems".........do you get on with neighbours ok......who visits and who stays over.......

 

now wait for it......WHERE DO YOU KEEP YOUR KEYS..........i'm not telling you i replied and he just laughed

 

told me that after you reach 12 our force now insist on and added security check..... level 1 being the basic and level 3 being the highest

 

he even brought up my run in with the travellers in august

Edited January 16, 2013 by bi9johnny

[neil3728]

I did woner if they ever did look at house security for things like this. Yes the guns are locked up but a very secure house is a much better deterent.

 

love the idea of him asking where the keys are wonder how many people tell them.

Edited January 16, 2013 by neil3728

[Billy.]

I've heard of the FEOs asking the wives if the keys are kept away and somewhere safe, followed by, "Where would he normally keep them?" one answer keeps the guns and the other loses the man his guns

 

My assumption is that this doesn't happen, but it's not a bad question to ask. I'm sure a few people on here could do without their SO knowing where the keys are when Arsenal's playing at home.

Edited January 16, 2013 by Billy.

[MM]

good stuff dude, thats brill.

[JonathanL]

What are levels 1, 2 and 3? Never heard of them.

 

J.

[flynny]

Jee whiz big fella, your not turning into one of those preppers are you ? Ha ha ,or planning a war against the Wirral council? Ha ha

 

Glad everything turned out ok for you mate, ps does your Missus know how much it will cost to fill the new cabinet with your new toys ha ha ha lmao,

 

Atb

 

Flynny.

[TJ91]

I've heard of the FEOs asking the wives if the keys are kept away and somewhere safe, followed by, "Where would he normally keep them?" one answer keeps the guns and the other loses the man his guns

 

My assumption is that this doesn't happen, but it's not a bad question to ask. I'm sure a few people on here could do without their SO knowing where the keys are when Arsenal's playing at home.

a policeman asked a solicitors mother where he kept his keys, she told the police as she knew.

Goodbye sgc

[CharlieT]

What are levels 1, 2 and 3? Never heard of them.

 

J.

 

J

 

He's probably referring to the various security levels mentioned in the Firearms Security Handbook.

 

C

[berretta77]

When i got my visit for my SGC i was told that if i wanted more than 5 shotguns i would have to step up security ie house alarm

[slimshooter]

I've heard of the FEOs asking the wives if the keys are kept away and somewhere safe, followed by, "Where would he normally keep them?" one answer keeps the guns and the other loses the man his guns

 

My assumption is that this doesn't happen, but it's not a bad question to ask. I'm sure a few people on here could do without their SO knowing where the keys are when Arsenal's playing at home.

 

I just got the wife to have shotgun cert as well, makes things easier

[Billy.]

I just got the wife to have shotgun cert as well, makes things easier

 

Allow me to translate:

 

I just got the wife to have shotgun cert as well, so birthdays and Christmases are better.

[apache]

What are levels 1, 2 and 3? Never heard of them.

 

J.

 

You surprise me!

 

2.16 It may be helpful to think of security in terms of broad 'levels' to be applied according to

the circumstances of each case. These are not intended to be prescriptive, but rather to provide

guidance on what might be considered proportionate in each case. Level 1 would be considered

the normal standard of security applicable to the majority of cases.

Level 1

2.17 A gun cabinet, or (where only one rifle or shotgun is held and a low level of risk is

involved) a gun clamp or similar device fixed to the building is normally considered to be

reasonable security. This should be located to frustrate or obstruct points of attack and

identification by casual visitors to the premises. Other considerations might be:

• Final exit doors of good construction secured with good quality locks and/or other

types of deadlocking facilities;

• Suitable locks/securing devices on ground floor windows and French/patio windows.

2.18 In the case of more modern houses, the above will be met in properties with PVCu doors or

specialist doors with a multi-locking system which is secured by a deadlock. These requirements

will also be met in properties with PVCu or specialist windows by a similar style of system,

secured by a keyed lock, either handle or independently mounted.

2.19 If you give advice to fit locks to PVCu doors and/or windows you should stress that the

manufacturer/supplier should be consulted about which locks would be appropriate, as the fitting

of non-specified locks may cause damage to the article and invalidate the product warranty.

Level 2

2.20 Where the individual circumstances are such that additional security might be required due

to factors such as:

repeat victimisation,

high-crime location,

building regularly unoccupied,

a substantial number of firearms on the premises,

in addition to the provision of a suitable cabinet, gun room or safe, the following may be

considered:

a) The final exit door locks should be to BS3621 or equivalent and any French

windows/patio doors should have an integral locking system or be provided with

supplementary locks to frustrate forcible opening, together with anti-lift blocks if

applicable.

B) The above requirements will be met in properties with PVCu doors or specialist doors

by a multi-locking system, which is secured by a deadlock.

c) Windows on the ground floor and those accessible from flat roofs etc should be fitted

with an appropriate type and number of locks which are self-latching or key operated.

These should have casement-to-frame locking along the opening edge.

d) An audible intruder alarm to the appropriate standard protecting either the whole of the

premises or those parts of the premises where the guns are stored.

2.21 For these purposes, a “substantial” number of firearms should be considered with regard to

the type of firearms, their potential danger if misused and their likely attractiveness to criminals.

At the lower end the number might vary between six and ten, depending on the type of firearm

concerned, whilst anything over ten would rarely be lower than level 2. It must be stressed,

however, that it is not enough to base an assessment on the number of firearms alone – all

factors mentioned above and in paragraph 2.20 should be taken into account. Sound

moderators, spare barrels, spare cylinders and component parts should not be considered as part

of the total.

2.22 A different form of security which equates to that above (such as providing a reinforced

gun room or other area), may also be suitable.

Level 3

2.23 If the risk is assessed as being greater than the previous level due to additional factors such

as:

a higher crime rate,

certain high-profile certificate holders,

other factors which substantially increase the risk of burglary,

a larger number of firearms held,

then the following should be considered as well as the previous level of security:

a) Dividing the risk, for example by the provision of separate cabinets, perhaps in

different locations within the premises, to break down the number of firearms per

enclosure.

B) Additional target hardening of the storage (cabinet with individual gun locks, or

extending to a gun room).

c) Installation of an audible intruder alarm to protect the whole of the premises.

d) If there is a particular risk attached to the property or its area, then a system with

signalling should be sought. The provisions of the current ACPO and ACPOS intruder

alarm policy should be considered if a signalling system is to be installed.

[parapilot]

Need any security extras, inspecting, or a professional security report on letterhead you know where I am mate. We advise the merseyside crime prevention officers so know what they are looking for

[Gordon R]

Apache - very useful post. Thanks. :good: :good:

Edited January 16, 2013 by Gordon R

[evo]

great news john,if ya need a welder to encase your home in bomb proof metal,dont ring me ha ha(he he).glad its getting sorted,oh by the way if the fao rings me do ya want me to tell him where ya keys are,under the plant pot :lol:

[bi9johnny]

Jee whiz big fella, your not turning into one of those preppers are you ? Ha ha ,or planning a war against the Wirral council? Ha ha

 

Glad everything turned out ok for you mate, ps does your Missus know how much it will cost to fill the new cabinet with your new toys ha ha ha lmao,

 

Atb

 

Flynny.

 

What she don't know won't hurt her hehehe I am very lucky my mrs knows I work hard and it never bothers her how much I spend

 

Need any security extras, inspecting, or a professional security report on letterhead you know where I am mate. We advise the merseyside crime prevention officers so know what they are looking for

 

Don't you worry lovely boy you were mentioned.. He gave me a couple of suggestions and I said I would run them passed my mate who is a master something locksmith heheheheh

 

great news john,if ya need a welder to encase your home in bomb proof metal,dont ring me ha ha(he he).glad its getting sorted,oh by the way if the fao rings me do ya want me to tell him where ya keys are,under the plant pot :lol:

 

Never mentioned you flipping heck I'd never have got my ticket back hehehehe

[bi9johnny]

Just fitted the new one to the wall that's three in one box room. So time for a few new guns. Think I will get rid of my aas200 & bottle too. So anyone selling 22.250, 22mag, 223, 243, fac 12g give me a shout

[Diceman]

 

a policeman asked a solicitors mother where he kept his keys, she told the police as she knew.

Goodbye sgc

 

My wife might tell a policeman where she THINKS the keys are, but she would be wrong....

Anyway, knowing where they are is not necessarily an issue, having access to them is the problem.

[Northamptonclay]

My wife knows where my keys are !

[JonathanL]

a policeman asked a solicitors mother where he kept his keys, she told the police as she knew.

Goodbye sgc

 

That isn't the way that case happened. The solicitor quite freely told the police that his mother knew where the keys were. Not only that, he told them that he had specifically told her where they were in case anything happened to him and she or someone else needed to get to the guns. He was, in effect, giving access to the guns by an unauthorised person.

 

It's pretty unlikely that someone would lose a certificate just because his other half happend to know where his keys were. It's not that easy to hide keys with 100% certainly in a domestic situation. This is why you are only required to take security precautions that are 'reasonably practicable'.

 

J.

[Dirty Harry]

My wife knows exactly where my keys are..... In the key safe. The safe has a Chubb Manifoil Mark 4 lock and only I know he code. It would be easier to attack the locks of the gun cabinet or pull them off the wall than get the keys.

[al4x]

Just fitted the new one to the wall that's three in one box room. So time for a few new guns. Think I will get rid of my aas200 & bottle too. So anyone selling 22.250, 22mag, 223, 243, fac 12g give me a shout

 

I know you have things sussed but why on earth do you want that mix of calibers? apart from the cost of so many different rifles scopes mods keeping the ammo would be a pain in the backside when at least 3 of them do the same job and one would do. Rather than 3 cheap setups you could have one decent one

[bi9johnny]

I know you have things sussed but why on earth do you want that mix of calibers? apart from the cost of so many different rifles scopes mods keeping the ammo would be a pain in the backside when at least 3 of them do the same job and one would do. Rather than 3 cheap setups you could have one decent one

i understand what your saying and the answer is simple... because i can......i work hard don't drink don't smoke don't go out pubbing or clubbing so the cost has nothing to do with it..... why would keeping ammo be a pain.....who says i'm having 3 cheap set up's..... do we only own 1 pair of shoes after all they all do the same job

i like to play around with diff guns and ammo, simplzz

[al4x]

personally yes but I guess my .243 setup cost me £3.5k all up with 58gr bullets it out performs my old .223 and with heavier ones its deer legal. Scope set me back £1750 and what I found was its that nice that my .223 never came out after all you tend to use your favourite gun more. Those costs are before you add an archer nv to it then things start to get a little scary Reloading then adds another dimension the more guns the more dies you need etc etc But hey ho its what keeps the world interesting different views, the most important thing is to just make sure you use them!

[parapilot]

The safe has a Chubb Manifoil Mark 4 lock and only I know he code. It would be easier to attack the locks of the gun cabinet or pull them off the wall than get the keys.

 

Nice lock your right, I'd have your gun safe open in mins, the manifoil iv got no chance without damage. Among the Best out there.

Edited January 17, 2013 by parapilot