Essex Keeper Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) So put in for my .223 cf for foxs munjac cwd vermin and got my ticket back All on there with the condition "To only be used whilst accompanied by an experienced shot " Ok happy days good idear spoke with my friend and he said he will do it so got my fac Tuesday been out Tuesday afternoon and night Thursday night and hopfuly to tonight But my mentour has asked me when he can send the letter in ? My firearms office said when you mentour says your safe !!! but mentour said I was safe before I got my ticket and have a good awareness of shoot placement for a human kill But reading the cover letter from the firearms department it's says "Once experience has been gained in the use of the rifle , application can be made for the removal of this restriction . A letter from the experienced shot specific to the quarry your firearms certificate has been conditioned for advising that you can shoot unaccompanied or the completion of a recognised course will suffice So if I I did my dsc tommrow would that not be suffice It all seams to be a money maker Edited February 8, 2013 by m2tyj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 In theory a course would do it by the sounds of it, not really a money maker as you also have the option of a free mentor option. I would suggest the FEO may not accept a mentors letter sent next week but if you waited a couple of months then odds are you would stand a higher chance of sucess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 But talking with him at the interview he said he's friend had a condition and had it removed after 3 weeks Is a day course really better than 5-6 trips with an experienced shot who I've been fox munjac rabbit clay shooting with ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Its not a day course though at minimum its two with aspects on safety and of course on deer. The ideal is for both but it all depends how happy you are with gralloching a deer and inspecting the carcass as fit for consumption etc If you want to sell onto a game dealer the course also gives you your large game meat hygiene. The fact the police ask for either is bullpoop really but the course is a good one if you intend shooting many deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 The only deer I will shoot might be the odd munjac Are look into ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 but mentour said I was safe before I got my ticket and have a good awareness of shoot placement for a human kill There's your issue! You might want to make it clear you intend to despatch quarry humanely, not people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 So put in for my .223 cf for foxs munjac cwd vermin and got my ticket back All on there with the condition "To only be used whilst accompanied by an experienced shot " Ok happy days good idear spoke with my friend and he said he will do it so got my fac Tuesday been out Tuesday afternoon and night Thursday night and hopfuly to tonight But my mentour has asked me when he can send the letter in ? My firearms office said when you mentour says your safe !!! but mentour said I was safe before I got my ticket and have a good awareness of shoot placement for a human kill But reading the cover letter from the firearms department it's says "Once experience has been gained in the use of the rifle , application can be made for the removal of this restriction . A letter from the experienced shot specific to the quarry your firearms certificate has been conditioned for advising that you can shoot unaccompanied or the completion of a recognised course will suffice So if I I did my dsc tommrow would that not be suffice It all seams to be a money maker My feo at gmp has removed the mentor condition for .22 hornet after 2 months and 4 foxes, with mentor sending in witness statement, now just got to do it for 243 and 270 on deer. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 There's your issue! You might want to make it clear you intend to despatch quarry humanely, not people. Bloody ipad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Well at least they don't define what they require by 'experienced shot' - you could go out with an air-gun shooter! (Your wife perhaps...). The best way forward is probably to use(they're on ticket and can be proved) a few rounds and then get a letter from your mentor saying you've shot at least x number and are safe and competent and have had a lot of practice in the last week or two and he's happy that you don't need to be accompanied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 So put in for my .223 cf for foxs munjac cwd vermin and got my ticket back All on there with the condition "To only be used whilst accompanied by an experienced shot " Ok happy days good idear spoke with my friend and he said he will do it so got my fac Tuesday been out Tuesday afternoon and night Thursday night and hopfuly to tonight But my mentour has asked me when he can send the letter in ? My firearms office said when you mentour says your safe !!! but mentour said I was safe before I got my ticket and have a good awareness of shoot placement for a human kill But reading the cover letter from the firearms department it's says "Once experience has been gained in the use of the rifle , application can be made for the removal of this restriction . A letter from the experienced shot specific to the quarry your firearms certificate has been conditioned for advising that you can shoot unaccompanied or the completion of a recognised course will suffice So if I I did my dsc tommrow would that not be suffice It all seams to be a money maker No mate, its an **** covering exercise and thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunters_return Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Hi, M2tyj, I had this on my .223 when I received it in January. Send it back now, and ask them to remove the condition for vermin and fox. Then wait a while, or do the DSC1 and send it back in to have the condition removed for deer to. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I had to babysit my friend when he 1st got his fac , the fa dept said 1 yr over the phone I sent a letter of compitance in after 3 months and this stipulation was lifted.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Get out, letter in and get it lifted. No problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 If your mentor states you're experienced then get your letter in.Who stated your mentor was an experienced shot?See what I mean? It's a farce.Get your letter in and rock the boat a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) This seems to be the norm with a lot of forces nowadays which I have helped shooters out with from GMP, Lancashire and West Yorkshire. There is no time stipulation tied to it so it really is down to your "Experienced Shooter" to decide that he (Or She) believes that you are a safe and competent shot. When he does all he needs to do is to write a letter stating that he/she has accompanied you on numerous/various occasions and in that time you have shown that you have a good knowledge and application of gun safety, that you can safely identify both safe and unsafe shots and that you are capable of quick and positive target identification. That is really all they need to be told but I am now finding that GMP are asking for one of their "official" forms to be filled in. Edited February 12, 2013 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big chop Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Its not a day course though at minimum its two with aspects on safety and of course on deer. The ideal is for both but it all depends how happy you are with gralloching a deer and inspecting the carcass as fit for consumption etc If you want to sell onto a game dealer the course also gives you your large game meat hygiene. The fact the police ask for either is bullpoop really but the course is a good one if you intend shooting many deer. there nothing to say you cant just sit the exam,if you know what your doing theres no need to even do the course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 This seems to be the norm with a lot of forces nowadays which I have helped shooters out with from GMP, Lancashire and West Yorkshire. There is no time stipulation tied to it so it really is down to your "Experienced Shooter" to decide that he (Or She) believes that you are a safe and competent shot. When he does all he needs to do is to write a letter stating that he/she has accompanied you on numerous/various occasions and in that time you have shown that you have a good knowledge and application of gun safety, that you can safely identify both safe and unsafe shots and that you are capable of quick and positive target identification. That is really all they need to be told but I am now finding that GMP are asking for one of their "official" forms to be filled in. That's were things get sticky, Basc advised me not to fill in any form that wasn't HO produced and covered under the existing law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Hi, M2tyj, I had this on my .223 when I received it in January. Send it back now, and ask them to remove the condition for vermin and fox. Then wait a while, or do the DSC1 and send it back in to have the condition removed for deer to. Paul Have you had it back yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunters_return Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Have you had it back yet Yes, It took just over a week to change it and get it back to me. I did call them first and tell them I was sending it in though. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Just today I sent in a variation to have the identical (but named mentor) condition removed re my .223 centrefire. Also applied for a .243 so we shall see how long it takes (Hampshire Police), and the position re the mentor. My mentor was my original referee and shooting buddy anyway, and he was mentored by a shooter on the Crown Estate and has 30+ years experience. Only ever went out shooting so with him so let the condition rest on the FAC for 14 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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