overandunder2012 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 so the fact that the "workman" spends it with a company that has its tax base oversea's and claims its profits are not created in the UK is down to the govt? jesus H christ KW its the government that make it possible for a company to do that not the guy who buys a coffee who may have got some cash painting a wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I called the plumber out, he came yesterday morning, fixed/replaced the shower unit and immersion heater and a leaky outside tap, I supplied all the bits, do you mean he wont declare tax on the £20 I paid him? he wanted £12. when the MPs stop fiddling the rest of the country may stop. Must be the cheapest plumber in the land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudgertoo Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Think you need to learn to understand sarcasm when it is used in the written word maybe......think I'll stick with the T,it bit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 maybe......think I'll stick with the T,it bit though. Fair comment, you will fit right in round here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 The black economy is probably whats keeping the country going seems a lot of people seem to depend on their "little earners" to make ends meet and lets face it they then go spend it in the shops so its coming to the government in the end. yes i agree with that as if I do any extra jobs...its goes on fuel in the car or food really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 What about this genuine example I observed last week then...Mechanic fixes a roofer's van. Roofer sorts out the leak in the workshop. Hands are shaken, no cash exchanged, everybody happy. Everybody OK with that? What if the mechanic fixes roofers van, roofer pays him £100 cash in hand. Roofer sorts out the leak in the workshop, mechanic pays him £100 cash in hand. Net effect exactly the same as above but have we now got two tax evaders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 You can't tax actions, but as soon as money is moved its taxed. I'm all for bartering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 And if I had to pay for everything by card. My old woman would know every time I went into the gun shop and would know how much I spend on toys !!! Works both ways, I'm sure she s got more shoes than I need to know about !!! Cash is king Well said, you took my words out of my mouth,,, Cash is defo king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Cash in big amounts is a pain. Over a certain amount the recipient wants to know where it comes from! Maybe not the private person, but you try buying a new car with cash!! my latest car, the dealer would only take £5k max in cash , company policy he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Do I now have to declare the £30 I made selling some old concrete tiles or the £60 for looking after a horse for a week All that will go on food and diesel today as things are very tight this month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Do I now have to declare the £30 I made selling some old concrete tiles or the £60 for looking after a horse for a week All that will go on food and diesel today as things are very tight this month Well if the taxman is watching they will reasonably assume you do that every month and can back date it up to 5yrs plus fines. Longer for outright fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Does anybody trust the banks? And in a shooting context, some banks are taking an anti-shooting stance and will not provide accounts to shooters and firearms dealers. So stick with cash unless you want to pay bankers bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polester Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I agree cash is king but being paid for a job in cash can be a pain because how do you bank it to pay bills eg mortgage and you can't put any materials onto suppliers account so have to outlay cash before you get paid. For a small job cash is ok but bigger jobs the cash needs to be declared so I lose out if I give a discount for cash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 i cant believe people cant find ways to spend cash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangon Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 How about cash in hand payments that the government is giving away in aid every year, Millions wasted when our own people are in need. Think they should ban that along with the 50 million a day we pay to the EU!! never mind a few pounds you pay to your window cleaner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 the problem is the mad level of tax in this country when people deal in cash at least it gets spent in the economy, most people at the moment cant afford to spend anything so theres nothing going around. When it comes to the government taxing people its best to have a bit of something than a whole lot of nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 If you give a reduction in price for cash how do you actually gain unless it's significantly less than the tax you would have paid on the sum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 how can anyone moan about cash payments when they go to have their cars washed by johnny foreigner and pays in cash .is this all declared ? i think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 how can anyone moan about cash payments when they go to have their cars washed by johnny foreigner and pays in cash .is this all declared ? i think not. reckon they declare 1 in 3 cars who counts cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonseed Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I am sick of paying into this country only to see politicians **** it up the wall. That's the whole point, isn't it? They don't give a **** about spending money if it makes them look good and feel good. The more you give them the more they'll waste for the sake of their own self importance; they can always cut the nuts and bolts services which should be the focus of government rather than wars and stopping people from smoking. We need smaller govenment and flat rate taxes. For a country that depends on retail, the tax structure in this country is a nonsense. If you take cash out of the economy, retail will suffer even more. I'm never paid in cash, but if I was, I would declare as little as possible. With these CON/LIb/LAB conmen in charge it's better spent keeping local people in jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) What about this genuine example I observed last week then...Mechanic fixes a roofer's van. Roofer sorts out the leak in the workshop. Hands are shaken, no cash exchanged, everybody happy. Everybody OK with that? What if the mechanic fixes roofers van, roofer pays him £100 cash in hand. Roofer sorts out the leak in the workshop, mechanic pays him £100 cash in hand. Net effect exactly the same as above but have we now got two tax evaders? In reality, what are the chances of a roofer and a mechanic both having jobs that need doing of the same value at the same time? How about this, Polish roofer comes over, does job for £100 cash then takes money back to Poland. The money never goes back into the British Economy, its a total loss to the country. This is happening thousands of times every day. Much more serious than simple tax evasion because, although the tax man doesn't get his share with tax evasion, the money is still going round and round and he will get it eventually in petrol tax or something Edited February 24, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Cash in big amounts is a pain. Over a certain amount the recipient wants to know where it comes from! Maybe not the private person, but you try buying a new car with cash!! try putting large amounts in the bank, they wont accept it if you tell them to mind there own business....ive deposited a amount and felt like i was a criminal, where did it come from?? can you proove it?? questions like that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 True - but we don't get to legally choose which laws we obey and which we can ignore!! No, the rich ruling classes choose which laws to impose on us and how having large amounts of money will enable them to avoid said laws. Thus labelling us criminals and them opportunists. That's a good argument for abolishing income tax completely and putting it all onto sales tax (VAT). Everybody has more money, everybody spends more, Government gets increased VAT receipts. Job done. I've always said abolish car insurance and road tax and replace it with added tax on fuel but we'd probably end up paying about a tenner a litre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Interesting that this is still going. From the chart given in KW's link nearly 40% of all revenue goes on the extremely vague 'Helping Others' In all honesty, I can only see three reasons why anyone would care about people doing the odd CIH job. 1) They are an HMRC jobsworth 2) They are on PAYE and miffed that they can't do it 3) They are benefit driven and worried that any drop in tax revenue may result in cuts to their handouts Using the argument 'Well its not fair because you are not paying your full share of tax' doesn't really wash, as that to my mind equates to me telling someone who earns less than me that they should get a second job because its not fair I pay more tax than them. Like I say, I can't do cash jobs, but if someone else doing the odd job off the books improves their families lifestyle even a little then I say fair play. Family comes first and always should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) I remember when I used to help out in our local gunshop, quite a number of people who bought very expensive guns paid in cash. Presumably so their wives didn't see it on the bank statement. Or didn't know about the money, or both. Its not always about hiding money from the taxman. There are other reasons Edited February 24, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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