Vince Green Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) This story has been around for a long time. My mate is a driver for the company concerned, Harmoni, Their office is only a couple of miles from where I live and a lot of ex-taxi drivers work for them because its very easy work and regular money. He has always said what the article said that a lot of the doctors fly in from abroad on Easyjet or whatever, stay in a Travelodge and work a week or two of shifts before going home. He has also been very critical of a lot of the doctors, some good some bad. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10055368/Doctors-being-offered-1350-per-shift-for-out-of-hours-cover.html When the doctor is sent to see a patient in the middle of the night he has absolutely no history or notes to guide him and often its just a waste of time call anyway. People call the doctors out in the middle of the night because they have a headache and have run out of paracetomol. Others have died before the doctor gets there.Its not a good service Edited May 16, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 what ever happend to local jobs local people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 what ever happend to local jobs local people cuts in education possibly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 what ever happend to local jobs local people Come on now, that is pure discrimination in modern Britain. We must give opportunities to all of our EU cousins to come and get jobs in our fine country... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Some them can't even understand English.....and that is NOT a knee-jerk comment. I have witnessed this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Exactly how the German doctor gave someone an overdose and killed them. The trial was last year I think. Some them can't even understand English.....and that is NOT a knee-jerk comment. I have witnessed this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 what ever happend to local jobs local people Its what you have to do if no local people are qualified to do it, or the local people do not want to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 You might be the first to complain when for a couple of thousand there was no Dr available when you or your family need. As for the language I'm led to believe they must pass a test, doesn't mean they don't find communicating difficult but they should be able to save a life. Drs are always going to have times when they miss something or just can't do anything, when that person finds it difficult to communicate all hell breaks . John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 You would be amazed at how many British doctors (applies to nationality but also to where they were educated/qualified) emigrate to Australia, Canada and Africa to practice medicine. That leaves a massive gap that Hospital Trusts need to fill in. More often than not they fill it with Agency staff. An ST5 doctor (7 years of medical practice after finishing the university course) earns circa £40k per year which translates to around £3,000 per month. An agency doctor can earn around £100 per hour before tax (say £60 per hour after tax). Do the maths... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 what ever happend to local jobs local people No such thing any more,got the last lot to thank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 You would be amazed at how many British doctors (applies to nationality but also to where they were educated/qualified) emigrate to Australia, Canada and Africa to practice medicine. That leaves a massive gap that Hospital Trusts need to fill in. More often than not they fill it with Agency staff. An ST5 doctor (7 years of medical practice after finishing the university course) earns circa £40k per year which translates to around £3,000 per month. An agency doctor can earn around £100 per hour before tax (say £60 per hour after tax). Do the maths...My son is a medical student. Newly qualified young Doctors go abroad because they can't get jobs here. Ironic isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 This story has been around for a long time. My mate is a driver for the company concerned, Harmoni, Their office is only a couple of miles from where I live and a lot of ex-taxi drivers work for them because its very easy work and regular money. He has always said what the article said that a lot of the doctors fly in from abroad on Easyjet or whatever, stay in a Travelodge and work a week or two of shifts before going home. He has also been very critical of a lot of the doctors, some good some bad. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10055368/Doctors-being-offered-1350-per-shift-for-out-of-hours-cover.html When the doctor is sent to see a patient in the middle of the night he has absolutely no history or notes to guide him and often its just a waste of time call anyway. People call the doctors out in the middle of the night because they have a headache and have run out of paracetomol. Others have died before the doctor gets there.Its not a good service iIs a reflection of 'white flight' and the destruction of the grammar school system, and the general dumbing down of standards. Britain had its own doctors and dentists for 1000 years, its only a recent phenomenon. If other countries have upped their educational game, and we are teaching our pupils meaningless rubbish then what do you expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 £1350/shift? I wouldn't get out of bed for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) With the NHS under fire from all sides, people are voting with their feet, sick and tired with being tarred with the hatred and bile from rags like the Daily Wail, portraying all NHS staff as lazy, theiving, workshy scum, instead of acknowledging that in one of the biggest workforces in Europe, there are bound to be a rotten apple or two, but that does not detract from the rest of the good work. When I was working the wards, you had to apply for your holiday dates up to 18 months in advance, no guarantee of weekends off at any time, short staffed, almost never a meal break, moved to nights or days without any warning, days off cancelled with less than 48 hours notice, regardless of family commitments etc, being spat on and punched by the drunks on a weekend, expected to work to the job, not the hours (which we did anyway). Meanwhile, countries like Australia, Canada, US etc were all offering far better salaries and conditions, removal packages, child care etc, so many Nursing/Medical staff took up the offers and left ! Others, especially those with families, soon realised the benefits of working for agencies. Sure, you had to pay your own pension etc, and there was no guarantee of work - but you only work when you want, can take your holidays to work round your family, with significantly better rates of pay. Also, if you work somewhere that treats you like dirt, you just tell the agency you won't work there any more. The NHS have no choice, if they want the staff they have to pay. Privatising won't help, all they are doing is employing staff with lower qualifications for lower pay to give poorer care, but in sparkly, shiny, new buildings. Everyone wants a great health service, but when they see the bill, they complain. If you want the person who operates on your heart etc to be the lowest paid, most overworked and demoralised, yes, they will be cheaper, but not for me! I expect to pay a specialist nurse/surgeon/consultant more than a plumber, because Doctors and Nurses mistakes almost invariably kill people. Phew, rant over ! Edited May 16, 2013 by Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) £1350/shift? I wouldn't get out of bed for that. Edited May 16, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 With the NHS under fire from all sides, people are voting with their feet, sick and tired with being tarred with the hatred and bile from rags like the Daily Wail, portraying all NHS staff as lazy, theiving, workshy scum, instead of acknowledging that in one of the biggest workforces in Europe, there are bound to be a rotten apple or two, but that does not detract from the rest of the good work. When I was working the wards, you had to apply for your holiday dates up to 18 months in advance, no guarantee of weekends off at any time, short staffed, almost never a meal break, moved to nights or days without any warning, days off cancelled with less than 48 hours notice, regardless of family commitments etc, being spat on and punched by the drunks on a weekend, expected to work to the job, not the hours (which we did anyway). Meanwhile, countries like Australia, Canada, US etc were all offering far better salaries and conditions, removal packages, child care etc, so many Nursing/Medical staff took up the offers and left ! Others, especially those with families, soon realised the benefits of working for agencies. Sure, you had to pay your own pension etc, and there was no guarantee of work - but you only work when you want, can take your holidays to work round your family, with significantly better rates of pay. Also, if you work somewhere that treats you like dirt, you just tell the agency you won't work there any more. The NHS have no choice, if they want the staff they have to pay. Privatising won't help, all they are doing is employing staff with lower qualifications for lower pay to give poorer care, but in sparkly, shiny, new buildings. Everyone wants a great health service, but when they see the bill, they complain. If you want the person who operates on your heart etc to be the lowest paid, most overworked and demoralised, yes, they will be cheaper, but not for me! I expect to pay a specialist nurse/surgeon/consultant more than a plumber, because Doctors and Nurses mistakes almost invariably kill people. Phew, rant over ! so much rubbish in the post, i cant be bothered to tackle it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 so much rubbish in the post, i cant be bothered to tackle it Hey thank for the insult, but it was based on my own experience of quite a number of friends and colleagues who left/emigrated over a number of years for those very reasons, and as a ward manager who had to use agency staff who were working for agencies for those exact reasons, yet according to you, I am lying. Maybe not all of the privatised services are as bad as I said, but certainly, quite a few are. I am glad you did not have those experiences, obviously things have greatly changed since I retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 i'd have a go, i've got tweezers and a scalpel, and a huge bag of paracetemol money for old rope this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 i'd have a go, i've got tweezers and a scalpel, and a huge bag of paracetemol money for old rope this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 I am an out of hours GP. Ducks bellow the parapet. I do not get pain £150 an hour, I get about one third of that. I deal with up to 50 patients in an 8 hour shift and typically admit less than 3 of that 50. My local A&E is busy, but not because of me, or my fellow out of hours GP's. Most recently 111, which was imposed on us by our political masters, can not find its back side with both hands. The patients are frustrated and, because the out of hours numbers in some areas have been shut down, have no option but to attend A&E. The department of health are scrabbling about looking for a fall guy. After all they can not have spent millions of pounds setting up a system that is unworkable ( NHS Direct, The NHS Spine, GP new contracts, Public private finance etc etc.) They can not force the GP's to take it back either as they are already in breach of the EWTD simply providing in hours care. Never mind adding in the remaining 124 hours in the week that are classed as out of hours. If you can conger up three extra GP's for every one already working with out going outside the UK then great. but it strikes me that it is another political pipe dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 £1350/shift? I wouldn't get out of bed for that. That's almost as much as Swiss Tony is earning doing "security". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 That's almost as much as Swiss Tony is earning doing "security". is that what he calls it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 With £15,000,000,000 being paid out in compensation last year, and £60,000 per day on interpreters. There won't be anything left of the NHS soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) so much rubbish in the post, i cant be bothered to tackle itI know. So many grey areas when all we want is some black and white rant from the Daily Rail. My sister's experience as a doctor is exactly as described. I also read an interesting article two days ago. Prior to Obamacare the American healthcare system cost Americans 19% of GDP and left 49 million without cover. The NHS covers everyone and costs 8% Edited May 17, 2013 by Granett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 i'd have a go, i've got tweezers and a scalpel, and a huge bag of paracetemol money for old rope this Zip ties glu and duct tape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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