TIDES EDGE Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Our shoot wishes to stay within the law on non lead for ducks and also the land owners wishes for fiber wads . All of the available non lead fiber wad cartridges are expensive ( we use a lot ) I see that Game Bore produce a 24grm 7.5 steel shot clay cartridge with a fiber cup in 70mm at a reasonable price.I have contacted them to see if they have any plans to produce this in 4shot 30grm /32grm as this would be the ideal solution to ours and I guess many other shoots problems, the girl there did not think they had but would bring it up at their next meeting. Has any body got any ideas Regards Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Yes , They do a Bio Degradable shot cup, Do some research on GOOGLE and find who stocks them, they are available mate: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwade545 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 http://www.gamebore.com/products/37/12g-silver-steel-fibre can get them through just cartridges or probably cheaper local to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 these are 3" shells though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 A dense cloud of 7&1/2s would get heads and necks anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted August 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 As cookoff says the biodegradable are 3" and I am not sure that 24gm of 7.5 would be a dense cloud at the height our ducks get up to but thank you for your replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I am shooting 24 gram 4s in bio gradable shot cups, loud\fast not a lot of recoil and they do the trick .these are 65mm. john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Is it possible to buy these fibre shot cups if you want to load your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 If you all get through a lot of them, a manufacturer will probably do a run of what you require, as most offer a custom cartridge service,don't know the minimum order for this. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Is it possible to buy these fibre shot cups if you want to load your own? I thought I saw some on clay and game readers once! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Snarepeg where are you getting these 24gm 4s from they sound like they are just what we want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Bought them from a chap giving up shooting, don't know how old but have seen them befor, made by Gamebore, don't know if still in production. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted August 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Gamebore have rung me back and evidently due to the thickness of the fibre cup they would only be able to get 20grm of 4 shot in it so it looks like the steel shot in a fibre cup is a dead duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 I can't believe that. Why would they make the fibre cup any thicker than the plastic one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 I can't believe that. Why would they make the fibre cup any thicker than the plastic one?Because steel places a lot of extra forces onto a shot cup and unlike lead if it contacts your barrel makes a nasty mess of them. Even plastic wads have to be steel specific variants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 I can't believe that. Why would they make the fibre cup any thicker than the plastic one? At a guess the fibre is not as strong as the plastic, so they make it thicker to stop the steel coming into contact with the barrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Because steel places a lot of extra forces onto a shot cup and unlike lead if it contacts your barrel makes a nasty mess of them. Even plastic wads have to be steel specific variants I know that, I've shot 2000+ steel cartridges. I just don't see why the fibre wad would need to be any thicker than the plastic one. They can load 24g of steel shot into Express super steel 20 bores with a plastic cup, so why not 24g with a fibre cup? With those cartridges, the plastic cup is only marginally thicker than that of a plastic wad in a lead load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 I can't believe that. Why would they make the fibre cup any thicker than the plastic one? Because Steel does not compress, So it allows for it by making the wad a lot thicker, and also it makes the shot string tighter as well. 1/4 = approx 1/2 : Etc. Thinner would break through the wads, Hence marked barrels.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Wouldn't the volume of 24g of steel be far greater than 24g of lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Thats why you have bigger shot cups as well, its wheights and volumes as you suggest. Hence higher Pressures too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Wouldn't the volume of 24g of steel be far greater than 24g of lead? Yes and pellet count, that's why the better steel loads have lighter than lead charges- it makes them faster and harder hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 I know that, I've shot 2000+ steel cartridges. I just don't see why the fibre wad would need to be any thicker than the plastic one. They can load 24g of steel shot into Express super steel 20 bores with a plastic cup, so why not 24g with a fibre cup? With those cartridges, the plastic cup is only marginally thicker than that of a plastic wad in a lead load. Because fibre is not as tough as plastic, I doubt you are alone in wishing to use fibre ( I certainly do) but just like I might like a big 4x4 that did 70 mpg the technology is not yet there. If a manufacturer comes up with something good they will sell like a storm but just like that 4x4 its a hard task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Field Shooter Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Is it possible to buy these fibre shot cups if you want to load your own? At last!! came across this http://claygame.co.uk/products/detail/100-12ga-fibre-shot-cups this morning looking for something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 At last!! came across this http://claygame.co.uk/products/detail/100-12ga-fibre-shot-cups Brilliant! Thanks for that this morning looking for something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Ok lads can you get some and find out what steel loads you can make up please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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