Mr Majyk Posted August 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 It would seem ive started a debate? Well i have no interest in a "pistol" ive got my longbarrel target pistols but those wouldnt be for humane dispatch. shotgun would be the tool for the job. I only asked because having it on my licence may be useful for SMALL livestock, sheep, pigs, etc. im not going anywhere near a big angry injured bull! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Does your condition actually use the word dispatch, I only ask because everyone I've ever seen, mine included, uses the wording Humane Killing as per the HO approved condition. will check when I get home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxop666 Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 the best tool i have is a 410 reducer to .22 its quiet no fuss job done also keep a 410 cartridge in hand just incase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbjones01 Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 You don't need a 357 magnum for humane dispatch. A .22lr is quite sufficient at close range. But you do need a condition on your FAC. I beg to differ !! a .22lr is not sufficient to use on cattle ! I used to work in New Zealand and had to dispatch several hundred calves after the first half dozen with said .22 I gave up and switched to a .410 didn't cause any further suffering with that !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 If push came to shove - and you had to do it - what is the most humane way? In the head - but how/where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 If push came to shove - and you had to do it - what is the most humane way? In the head - but how/where? Depends a little on species but generally if you imagine a line drawn diagonally between ear and eye, then the center of the cross is where to place the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moor man Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) 30 second google .................http://www.fao.org/docrep/004/y0660e/y0660e01.htm https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzEPgxzTPDTZfFnHWb_ytIqQ0s9_7jHCO7hzQBCgceV2z_tzNw http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0018/12663/AG1065_July2008_img_4v1.jpg https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAQIUrpQUuKvlbVOaNpFRAPy7nyaKj65KwiWjfxRtED2JGTi0f Plenty of info online to give an idea but you do need to think carefully about this. Never had to do it other than a fallow fawn hung up in a fence, .22LR from 10yrds (as above) did the job efficiently but I would want something more for anything bigger. Fortunately I have a .357mag carbine if required. All of my guns are conditioned for humane dispatch. If it was me Id say yes, but depends on the individual circumstances.ie.,bull gone beserk. Hope that helps. moor man. Edited August 20, 2013 by moor man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholiath Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I completed a humane despatch 1 day course with the Lincolnshire deer group to become registered for call out. It was a very good day. Very experienced man leading the course stated vast majority he has used shotgun. to cover myself i have got the BASC extra free insurance/ had humane despatch added to my FAC and also informed my vehicle insurer that i may be attendig incidents on a voluntary basis. Have a look at this: http://www.thedeerinitiative.co.uk/uploads/guides/127.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Surely if using shotguns no need for them to be 'conditioned' for HD as no conditions on a shotgun ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Does your condition actually use the word dispatch, I only ask because everyone I've ever seen, mine included, uses the wording Humane Killing as per the HO approved condition. Mine definitely says Dispatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Uncle uses a 22 LR pistol on cattle and sheep on his farm. I've used a 410 hope to never have to again. I was speaking to a slaughter man on Sunday they prefer a short barrelled 22 rifle (mostly horses which fall forward. He also told me about a yard he visited near Paris that was a massive factory style place they used a 22 semi rifle on the horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Surely if using shotguns no need for them to be 'conditioned' for HD as no conditions on a shotgun ticket. Unless your like me and have a section 1 shotgun then you might need it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 So you guys are volunteering to do this?! Why on earth would you want too?! For payment maybe but to volunteer?! As a shooter this would be the last aspect of shooting I'd want to be involved in... leave it to the professionals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Mine definitely says Dispatch Mine says in it's own separate condition: The firearms and ammunition shall be used also in connection with the HUMANE KILLING OF ANIMALS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 So you guys are volunteering to do this?! Why on earth would you want too?! For payment maybe but to volunteer?! As a shooter this would be the last aspect of shooting I'd want to be involved in... leave it to the professionals! Comes from growing up on a farm hate to see an animals suffer so its not nice but sometimes it's a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Amuses me when people say,"if you're a novice, don't do it". Everyone starts off as a novice at some point. A bit of reading for most things gives you a rough idea where to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Quote. (Comes from growing up on a farm hate to see an animals suffer so its not nice but sometimes it's a must.) That's understandable if its your farm and animals. but why so it for someone else. Edited August 21, 2013 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Amuses me when people say,"if you're a novice, don't do it". Everyone starts off as a novice at some point. A bit of reading for most things gives you a rough idea where to start. True, but most slaughter men are mentored and then observed by a official vet surgeon to assess competency. I think I'm one of a handful of people on here to actually hold a slaughter licence, and I can categorically state that reading something on here, won't give you the skills or competence to deal with a large animal in pain, and scared going bonkers when you get it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Yeah the trick is not to get it wrong or all hell breaks loose was weighing up today whether its worth getting a pistol for dispatch when I qualify. I know you can't pith multiple animals anymore incase you spread BSE? But think a handgun might be a bit OTT though! Edited August 21, 2013 by wildfowler.250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Yeah the trick is not to get it wrong or all hell breaks loose was weighing up today whether its worth getting a pistol for dispatch when I qualify. I know you can't pith multiple animals anymore incase you spread BSE? But think a handgun might be a bit OTT though! Why would a 32 or 38 pistol be OTT for a Vet. If you are in a large animal practice it's almost mandatory, remember, when killing diseased or injured stock with a firearm pithing does not come into it. Remember we're talking humane killing not humane slaughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Yeah the trick is not to get it wrong or all hell breaks loose was weighing up today whether its worth getting a pistol for dispatch when I qualify. I know you can't pith multiple animals anymore incase you spread BSE? But think a handgun might be a bit OTT though! TBH honest the trick is making sure everything is right before you do anything brutal, restraint, escape routes etc, you won't be pithing anything anyway, no need, as the carcass is useless if you do. Free bullet shooting in my opinion is a very niche thing. I can guarantee many 'big men' who think they would job a cow or a big pig with a shotgun, put on the spot would bottle it. Edited August 21, 2013 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 As long as you are careful and considerate even the first time can be perfect. With mine there was no restraint, a careful period of observation and a well executed shot at 5 yds. Lets not suggest it cant be done by a novice, it can, but it requires a bit of thought, a bit of anatomical study and a desire to ensure the animal doesnt suffer and is put down instantly. Three quarter choke and 65 grams of 3.5 inch bb will and does make a big hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm totally with Kyska here, i really don't know why anyone would ask a question like this. I have been involved round about farms all my life as well as shooting and used to handling livestock but i would not get involved in HD. There is far more to it than just putting the hole in the right place, far more to do with ur stock handling and reading stock than marksmanship. I also think there will be plenty off people reading this looking at the 'x' marks the spot thinking i could do that, not that hard, i'm experienced enough; when being blunt there probably not. But by the time u have volanteered urself to get some extra shooting and u have a live animal in the pen it takes a very big man to say there not up to the job Most knackermen i know use the captive bolt most off the time Kes at 5m (althou 5m is probably almost a bit far away) but closer ranges choke, shot size, or weight of cartridge will have very litle bearing on the outcome, still almost be effectivly a solid ball of lead Wot's the difference between doing it perfect and being lucky? I've seen it done far to often and seen it done well and seen it done very poorly all by licensed qualified knacker men Do u not need to pith to ensure the animal is dead? Luckily been a few years since i've been involved but i often ended up pithing them to ensure the spinal nerve is destroyed. (None where for the food chain) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Does your condition actually use the word dispatch, I only ask because everyone I've ever seen, mine included, uses the wording Humane Killing as per the HO approved condition. Mine definitely says Dispatch Just dug my cert out It states "the humane killing of animals" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'm totally with Kyska here, i really don't know why anyone would ask a question like this. I have been involved round about farms all my life as well as shooting and used to handling livestock but i would not get involved in HD. There is far more to it than just putting the hole in the right place, far more to do with ur stock handling and reading stock than marksmanship. I also think there will be plenty off people reading this looking at the 'x' marks the spot thinking i could do that, not that hard, i'm experienced enough; when being blunt there probably not. But by the time u have volanteered urself to get some extra shooting and u have a live animal in the pen it takes a very big man to say there not up to the job Most knackermen i know use the captive bolt most off the time Kes at 5m (althou 5m is probably almost a bit far away) but closer ranges choke, shot size, or weight of cartridge will have very litle bearing on the outcome, still almost be effectivly a solid ball of lead Wot's the difference between doing it perfect and being lucky? I've seen it done far to often and seen it done well and seen it done very poorly all by licensed qualified knacker men Do u not need to pith to ensure the animal is dead? Luckily been a few years since i've been involved but i often ended up pithing them to ensure the spinal nerve is destroyed. (None where for the food chain) I very much understand your concern and I am talking about animals that will not enter the human food chain. If even experts can get it wrong then perhaps a very careful individual, a novice, would take more care and not be quite so complacent? It isnt something I would do again unless circumstances mean it was necessary to reduce suffering or render a dangerous situation safe - I also do not enjoy doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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