Michaeli Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Hi guys, Im after a little help. I put my variation in and put a few target rifles down which are no problem and I also put down .22lr & .17HMR for vermin (rabbit on a gold course) Now I already have FAC .22 (32ft/lb) air rifle so she said I was only aloud one or the other (.22lr or .17HMR) My original thought was .17HMR therefore I can use my air rifle for 0-60/70 yards and then use the .17hmr for there after. But my other thinking was to get a .22lr and use it with subs for 0-60 yards and then use hi-speed rounds for longer shots. So what Im after is a bit of advise or what would be best to go for .22lr or .17hmr. How loud are .22lr normal rounds compared to .17hmr rounds (both with mods) What ranges will .22lr normal rounds shoot too without crazy holdover? BTW the range I shoot at ranges from 40-120 yards and I would say 60% or shots are within 60-70 yards with the other 40% being the longer distance ones. Thanks Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 For 60/70. Yd rabbits you'd be fine with subsonic .22lr hmr are sonic hence breaking the sound barrier even with a mod on there's a crack where as hence the term SUB is below....I've shot rabbits at 100yds with sub sonics but if constantly shooting 100yds I would use hmr, if the majority are 60/70 I would just sneak up 30 yds to those that where 100yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 ....... Now I already have FAC .22 (32ft/lb) air rifle so she said I was only aloud one or the other (.22lr or .17HMR) ......... There are many folk who have all thee of FAC Air, .22LR and .17HMR You are allowed all three with good reason. Take a step back and ask again. In my opinion clearing rabbit off a golf could give very good reason for owning all three but it depends on your circumstance and the case you make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaeli Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 There are many folk who have all thee of FAC Air, .22LR and .17HMR You are allowed all three with good reason. Take a step back and ask again. In my opinion clearing rabbit off a golf could give very good reason for owning all three but it depends on your circumstance and the case you make. I have tryed wining her around but nope, she's not having it. It's either a .22lr or .17 I only have two permissions one very big golf course and the a few paddocks. The rimmys can only be used on the course so they see me having three rifles for the same job reguardless of distance of kills. There is little cover one the course so they can sometimes spook at 100-130 yards away hence wanting a longer range rifle as If I can get within 60 yards ill use the .22 air rifle etc. I understand about the noise difference as we use a .17hmr on the course and it works well at 100 yards etc. I have just never used .22 sonic rounds and did not know if they can be compared to .17hmr Thanks Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 What about asking for a .22hornet or .17hornet for fox/vermin and the .22lr for vermin. You'd have loads more poke for them long range ones, downside is you'd need to reload to really get the best out of it. Or tell them you need .17 for daytime .22 for night and you plan on getting it set up with nv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Here's an excellent demonstration between the relative noise levels of .17hmr v .22lr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR8YAN_0kE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I would go for .17HMR in addition the the FAC air you already have ! 60/70 yard bunnys are already covered by the FAC Air so for pushing the range out further and for safety I would go .17HMR, If your force area allows HMR for close fox thats a bonus too. I never found and decent grouping hypersonic ammo for my .22lr. ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 On the basis that the FAC air is useful on small permisions around stock, I assume your now fixed on keeping it. The .22 lr is a way more capable gun than FAC air and very quiet with a moderator and subsonic ammo, a lot less wind drift than an air pellet and from a 50 yds zero its basically point and shoot trajectory 0- 65 yds. Although it is then 6-8" low at 100 yds (a long shot on a golf course I recon) the wind drift is about equal to a HMR. I disliked the HMR myself but it is a fair gun for bunnies 80-130. Downside is extra ammo cost and more noise. My thoughts therefore lead to fac air and .22 lr then add an AOLQ on a small centrefire later on vis a variation when the dust settles. .22 or .17 hornet, fireball something like that then you have a fair foxing gun and capable of rabbits further than the HMR. Golf courses generally having to be shot at night or short breaking dawn / dusk sessions in my experience its not really needed to shoot a lot at 100 + in broad daylight Your money and your choice though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soother223 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Not a fan of the hmr. Had one with the ammo problems that you must have read so much about. Would never have another. So I quite like the suggestion of a hornet. . Either .22 or 17 got a 17 myself wicked bit of kit an can reload cheap too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Michael, I'll bring my .22 and .17 down one night. (Or you come up here again.) stick your Wabtec on the .17 and ill use my .22 with mine and see which you prefer. (Hopefully the .17 so I can sell you it! Lol) That women's got a bee in her bonnet by the sounds of it. Contact basc dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 i have had hmrs and sold them and now have 2 x.22s,one day,one night,quieter and cheaper to run than an hmr,zeroed at 70yds for nights spot on to about 80,which is ample for me shooting rabbits at night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaeli Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Thanks guys Looks like most like .22 lr but still a lot of love for .17 HMR I think I'm going to stick with the .17 for now (as that what I told my feo) and if I don't get on with it in 6 months time I will swap it for a .22 lr or see if she will give me a .22lr as well in 6 months. Thanks Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 If you intend to stick with FAC Air then get the HMR. Noise wise it isn't worth the debate comparing HV .22lr and HMR, they are both noisy. On the other point, what is their problem, if you can show you have a requirement, and you have nothing in your background, why are they not allowing both? I have Air, FAC Air, 2 x .22lr, HMR and WMR and centrefires and shotguns. Lots of people have .22lr and HMR etc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaeli Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I do intend to keep the FAC air as it's so versatile compared to .22 lr The cost of ammo is not much concerned. Don't get me wrong I would love to pay 5-10p for ammo but at 18-25p each for HMR ammo is no worse that 32g 12 bore carts and my kill ratio is better with the rifle. I really don't know why she won't let me have both but that's Nottinghamshire police for you. She kept say that they could not warrant me having three rifles for the same job. I tryed saying yes they all kill rabbits but they are all for different jobs . Short / long range (.22/.17) and on smaller land (.22 air) but she was having none of it. She is a real pain in the a** Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I do intend to keep the FAC air as it's so versatile compared to .22 lr The cost of ammo is not much concerned. Don't get me wrong I would love to pay 5-10p for ammo but at 18-25p each for HMR ammo is no worse that 32g 12 bore carts and my kill ratio is better with the rifle. I really don't know why she won't let me have both but that's Nottinghamshire police for you. She kept say that they could not warrant me having three rifles for the same job. I tryed saying yes they all kill rabbits but they are all for different jobs . Short / long range (.22/.17) and on smaller land (.22 air) but she was having none of it. She is a real pain in the a** Michael Join BASC! (other shooting organisations are available) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaeli Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I am a member of basc so could give them a ring. I used them (David on here) when she put a condition on the golf course and it helped. But as I pushed that I don't know how much more I can push things. At what point could they said, sod ya your not getting your ticket back? Michaelv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 How does .22LR hi speed compare to the .17HMR? I was thinking of getting the latter but if I can just use high speed ammo in the .22 then it doesn't seem like a lot of point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) How does .22LR hi speed compare to the .17HMR? I was thinking of getting the latter but if I can just use high speed ammo in the .22 then it doesn't seem like a lot of point... This link might help. You can select comparison data of the .22LR stinger HV round with a typical .17HMR round, or as you wish. http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/varmint.aspx Edited October 30, 2013 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 That surprises me, didn't realise the .17HMR had so much more energy than a stinger. From other research, it appears that nobody makes a polymer tipped .22LR bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Get the 17 it's on a totally different planet to a 22rf. You've already got a 22 subsonic and the 17 will take you a lot further. We have all heard the stories about 150 yard head shots with 22s but I've got my doubts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I have all three and find use for all. I also do vermin control on golf courses and use all three at times. One thing I can say is that poa changes between. 22lr subsonic,standard and high velocity. So it is not practical to simply load a hotter round, for extra range. I also use the. 223 for fox on golf courses. Foxes do like to dig in bunkers! Course Managers don't appreciate their activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 You have the fac air and the .17hmr would be the best rifle to pair with it,you would have everything covered.dont worry about the extra noise from the hmr,rabbit is long dead before it hears the crack and thats when you take the next one and its such a straight shooting round. We have all three rifles and its the .22lr that stays at home the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirgoldalot Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 +1 for 17 though i have all three 22lr .22 fac air and HMR 17 if you dropped the air fac for a standard 12ftp then you could cover all your options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I do intend to keep the FAC air as it's so versatile compared to .22 lr The cost of ammo is not much concerned. Don't get me wrong I would love to pay 5-10p for ammo but at 18-25p each for HMR ammo is no worse that 32g 12 bore carts and my kill ratio is better with the rifle. I really don't know why she won't let me have both but that's Nottinghamshire police for you. She kept say that they could not warrant me having three rifles for the same job. I tryed saying yes they all kill rabbits but they are all for different jobs . Short / long range (.22/.17) and on smaller land (.22 air) but she was having none of it. She is a real pain in the a** Michael I don't think anything in the shooters cabinet is as versatile as a .22 lr, you maybe need to look at that one some more in the future years. FAC air however is anything but versatile, its a niche often a useful one but a niche non the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I have all three and find use for all. I also do vermin control on golf courses and use all three at times. One thing I can say is that poa changes between. 22lr subsonic,standard and high velocity. So it is not practical to simply load a hotter round, for extra range. I also use the. 223 for fox on golf courses. Foxes do like to dig in bunkers! Course Managers don't appreciate their activities. High velocity is no gain in the hands of an experienced guy .22 subs can in the main give superior accuracy and reduced wind drift. I concur loading a separate mag with HV just confuses the issue, though many guys say it works for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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