littlerob Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 was working close by a gun shop and needed some 410 cartridges pop into the shop asked for some 3inch ones didnt asked the price as only wanted 1 box to keep me shooting into i get time to pop over to where i get all my carts from 16g 3inch gamebore .410 @ £9.50 a box glad that i only asked for one box as i only pay £5.50 each box for eley or fiocchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 By any chance where you working in wisbech? That sounds like his prices. Justcartridges have them for £2 less a box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) yes eddy key aka walkers was shocked but never mind just hope they perform as well as what i usually use i have ven worked for eddy too and didn't get any discount lol Edited December 10, 2013 by littlerob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Think the issue is volume sold and volume purchased. Not many buy .410 a 1000 a time, personally I don't expect to get a great price as I never need to buy 100 a go let alone 1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 yes eddy key aka walkers was shocked but never mind just hope they perform as well as what i usually use i have ven worked for eddy too and didn't get any discount lol That's why I never buy cartridges from Walkers. An absolute rip off merchant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) That's why I never buy cartridges from Walkers. An absolute rip off merchant. I only go there if i am desperate, which isnt very often! Edited December 10, 2013 by Big Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 only went as i was out off .410 and wanted to shoot tonight and Thursday night and i was desperate i buy around 3-4 box's at a time i use my hushpower more than any other gun so go through .410's quite quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 He is expensive on cartridges and guns too , last ones I brought there was a couple of boxes of 16 gauge , £8.50 a box ! , that was two years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 the price of one of the gunshops in cambridge actually made me reload. it worked out that if i buy a new reloader every 1000 shells, with new cases, and factory shot, i still save in excess of £80 / k. now i do shop elsewhere, but naivety told me that shell prices are only going to increase and increase. i have even ended up shooting alot of steel at clays. at £80 / k back them. they were less than 1/2 price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Think the issue is volume sold and volume purchased. Not many buy .410 a 1000 a time, personally I don't expect to get a great price as I never need to buy 100 a go let alone 1000 I did buy around 2000 assorted sizes, but should really look into home loading for when they are all used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesketh Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 was working close by a gun shop and needed some 410 cartridges pop into the shop asked for some 3inch ones didnt asked the price as only wanted 1 box to keep me shooting into i get time to pop over to where i get all my carts from 16g 3inch gamebore .410 @ £9.50 a box glad that i only asked for one box as i only pay £5.50 each box for eley or fiocchi I got a couple of boxes of the same last week at £6 each, from a local shop, I did buy a slab of 12g too but was quite pleased when he siad "£6 each for them" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Yes the old supply and demand thing, we keep being told 410 shells are dear because they do so few production runs compared to 12g , well if that really was the case then someone would just buy a single 410 machine and do nothing but , he'd be making millions of shells and would benefit from lower costs of lead as well as powder, come to think of it the cases and wads would soon work out cheaper for him too due to reduced weight and substance............I won't even mention the much lower transportation, storage and lifting costs. Choose a name like 4u10 Only and he'd not even need any advertising after an initial burst of publicity letting people know their days of being fleeced are over. If you hadn't guessed already, methinks it's another one of those cute cons. Edited December 11, 2013 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Yes the old supply and demand thing, we keep being told 410 shells are dear because they do so few production runs compared to 12g , well if that really was the case then someone would just buy a single 410 machine and do nothing but , he'd be making millions of shells and would benefit from lower costs of lead as well as powder, come to think of it the cases and wads would soon work out cheaper for him too due to reduced weight and substance............I won't even mention the much lower transportation, storage and lifting costs. Chose a name like 4u10 Only and he'd not even need any advertising after an initial burst of publicity letting people know their days of being fleeced are over. If you hadn't guessed already, methinks it's another one of those cute cons. I would suggest that there is more than an element of truth in that. The ratio of manufactured 12gauge shells to 36gauge would I suggest be in the region of 10000 to 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I would suggest that there is more than an element of truth in that. The ratio of manufactured 12gauge shells to 36gauge would I suggest be in the region of 10000 to 1. You can't deny there is an element of truth to that, of course there are more 12g shells sold than 410 etc, I'm just suggesting there is a very easy fix, you just need someone to specialise in the niche market and they'll clean up. But the truth is it's just too good a golden goose. Same with game shells, place product inside package with partridge pictures and increase price by 30%. Swap felt wads with sheep fleece, tell people it patterns better, increase price by 20% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 was working close by a gun shop and needed some 410 cartridges pop into the shop asked for some 3inch ones didnt asked the price as only wanted 1 box to keep me shooting into i get time to pop over to where i get all my carts from 16g 3inch gamebore .410 @ £9.50 a box glad that i only asked for one box as i only pay £5.50 each box for eley or fiocchi Seems really dear to me last load I got was £65 for 250 3" fiocchi magnums 19g no6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 paid £6 a box for the grandaughters carts last time,fiocchi 410 19g 8s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 You can't deny there is an element of truth to that, of course there are more 12g shells sold than 410 etc, I'm just suggesting there is a very easy fix, you just need someone to specialise in the niche market and they'll clean up. But the truth is it's just too good a golden goose. Same with game shells, place product inside package with partridge pictures and increase price by 30%. Swap felt wads with sheep fleece, tell people it patterns better, increase price by 20% Won't clean up much tho as there aren't enough .410 shooters buying them...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) Won't clean up much tho as there aren't enough .410 shooters buying them...... Not initially I agree, but people don't consider the 410 because of ammo costs, if someone started selling them at £120 a thou (which is what they should be) then it would be a different matter. In any case if you specialise in a niche market by definition you're starting small but in time will gather momentum. Good marketing isn't about fancy adverts, it's about squeezing the maximum out of a given market. Everything is price elastic, marketing men optimise that elasticity. We all know competitors always react to a price drop by matching it or even bettering it, how is that even possible ? If you knew of a company that sold nothing but 410's at a mega price and had a massive range it would make you drag your old gun out of the cabinet, I would likely buy a couple of old guns I've always hankered after because shooting them and using them would be a practical reality then. 410's use half of everything in their make up and weight half as much too so transportation would be cheaper, they should be cheaper than regular ammo, the reason they are not isn't production runs, it's because the marketing directors on £70k per annum are doing their job correctly. Edited December 13, 2013 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I think the present makers will say it's because they hang around so long, One maker told me they only make one batch every three years, so that's a lot of capital hanging around for the odd sell plus storage, where as with 12g then they sell as quick as made, little setup and common powders, Maybe if the clubs supported the 4 gauge matches i.e. 12g, 20g, 28g & .410 then prices would come down and more people would try the lower sizes. In the USA the four sizes are popular shoots I understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 I think the present makers will say it's because they hang around so long, One maker told me they only make one batch every three years, so that's a lot of capital hanging around for the odd sell plus storage, where as with 12g then they sell as quick as made, little setup and common powders, Yes this is a very valid point, catch 22 really as they won't produce down to an acceptable price so we can't adopt the gauge as a useable tool. What I'm saying though is that the status quo suits them from a business point of view. Selling more may only mean earning the same as now, would you do it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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