Tinribz Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Hi got a problem with my silver pigeon 1 nearly every time i mount i can see a lot of rib i can shoot ok with it but im noticing im missing over the top on easy birds alot of the time unless i talk my self through the shot ie gun up head down cheek in tight before pulling trigger if its a quick in reaction shot nearly allways miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 You can get used to keeping well under the target, I did with my Silver pigeon which did likewise or get it altered and this is the big one if your mount is good, consistent and established so get it looked at first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 what size recoil pad have you got on it ? what is the LOP ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinribz Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Lop im not sure im guessing a lesson at the gun club would be a good starting point recoil pad looks about 20 mil i havnt measured it How do you measure lop !? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinribz Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 How do you measure the lop ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 From the trigger back to the end of the stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 You have few options really, take some wood off the top rib of the stock, a bit drastic I know but you could fit an adjustable stock on it so that it should retain its appeal and value, or simply put more practice in on the clay ground.Concetrate on your mount more that your scores so you get the sight picture you feel will give a better kill rate. Slightly less drastic could be the addition of an adjustable butt-plate . Dropping the plate down should bring your eye down to give less visible rib. Could adversely affect the value of your gun tho. I shot like you are doing when I first started and I shot pretty well in those days so, imo, its not too much to worry about and just practice is the best way. Perhaps a lesson or two with a good coach would improve your mount. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Length of Pull is the distance from the middle of the butt (recoil pad) to the trigger. A stock that is too long may catch under the arm pit, or drag on the lower shoulder. It will feel uncomfortable and awkward, and can markedly delay the fast execution of a shot. On the other hand, a stock that is too short may deliver more recoil to the shoulder and cheek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinribz Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Im thinking lessons to see how it fits get it measured go from there if i through it up loose it fits nice so im guessing the stock is to short and more on the end would help a freind told me berretas are nown for shooting high not sure if this is true my dads aya 53 which hes just left me fits a treat perfect every mount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinribz Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 How do you measure if the stock fits me from inside elbow to fore finger ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 How do you measure if the stock fits me from inside elbow to fore finger ? A rough guide is from the inside your elbow/forearm to about halfway between the tip and the first crease in your fore finger (slightly closer to the crease than the tip). This is only a rough way and is by no means a substitute to having a professional check your gun fit/mount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 if i was you , i would try one of these , its the cheapest way to find out if your LOP is too short or too long , if you do happen to find a fit that works you can have your gun altered if you so wish http://www.avalon-guns.com/avalon/Beartooth-Recoil-Pad-Kit-Black.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 I had the same problem with my Beretta Silver Pigeon 20 bore. Living in Bristol I'm fortunate that Nigel Teague's workshop is just 20 mins away. A visit and gunfit and Nigel dropped the stock slightly. Problem solved. Well worth the expense if there is a similar facility near you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinribz Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Cheers stevo that looks a cheep option il enquire about a lesson at my local club and go from there il also measure my lenghth of pull and the guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinribz Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Cheers bobba im guna look into it all had an awfull afternoon last weekend and thought id better look into the problem no use keep wasting cartridges i no the problem just need to fix it cheers guys im gratefull for the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 no worries , everything out there will always be second place to a proper fitting by a good gunsmith , but it will give you and your gunsmith an idea and starting point . this is of course IF length of pull is the problem . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 A couple of lessons with a GOOD coach may seem expensive, but will save you experimenting with various gadgets and methods which if unsuccessful will cause you to go round in circles in frustration chasing correct gun fit. Some people 'make do' and remain inconsistent shooters,while others seek professional help which saves time, money and exasperation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 A rough guide is from the inside your elbow/forearm to about halfway between the tip and the first crease in your fore finger (slightly closer to the crease than the tip). This is only a rough way and is by no means a substitute to having a professional check your gun fit/mount I'm sorry, but that is possibly the biggest fallacy regarding shotgun marksmanship/fit. The measurement that you believe this gives the answer to is actually dependent upon the length of your neck; all this tells you is how long your forearm is. OP, your best bet is to act upon the recommendation given at Post #17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinribz Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Thanks scully this is why i posted to save all that il be ringing my local club at diner break to enquire about a few lessons any one tell me the average price per lesson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 I'm sorry, but that is possibly the biggest fallacy regarding shotgun marksmanship/fit. The measurement that you believe this gives the answer to is actually dependent upon the length of your neck; all this tells you is how long your forearm is. OP, your best bet is to act upon the recommendation given at Post #17. I stand corrected on the forearm/finger method but I did say it was by no means a substitute for professional help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Thanks scully this is why i posted to save all that il be ringing my local club at diner break to enquire about a few lessons any one tell me the average price per lesson Just be wary that your 'local club coach' is not self proclaimed and in reality no more than a 'wad watcher'. Check for formal qualifications and ask about for recommendations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashman1 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Not all but many lessons are a complete waste of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Hi got a problem with my silver pigeon 1 nearly every time i mount i can see a lot of rib i can shoot ok with it but im noticing im missing over the top on easy birds alot of the time unless i talk my self through the shot ie gun up head down cheek in tight before pulling trigger if its a quick in reaction shot nearly allways miss Shotguns are designed to be pointed and you can't point anything be it a gun, a stick or a finger unless your line of sight is above the thing you're pointing with. It's normal to see some rib when checking the mount, that way the shot tends to go where you're looking without aiming, and aiming is something to avoid. There are those who 'rifle' a shotgun but that's not really the right way to shoot them. I agree that before doing anything to the gun, spend an hour with a good instructor. Best investment you can make IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinribz Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Its greenfields in kent ik ring and ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Look for a qualified coach who will then be able to advice you a lot of local club coaches are untrained of very basically trained have a look at some of the website APSI is a good place to start as the courses are pass fail and passing a course is not automatically a means to membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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