figgy Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Why are you bothered it won't affect how the gun shoots, not going to harm the gun. I just leave it in it don't get any worse as it self cleans to a degree, I just clean my barrels and don't worry about a bit of plastic fouling in the forcing cones. The next cartridge you fire will make the same marks. Far to anal with all this getting the barrels spotless. When you clean and polish your shoes, do you polish the soles so they look like new? Or do you just clean the soles and not worry about the marks as soon as you wear them again the soles will mark. Just enjoy your shooting and don't worry about plastic marks in the cones. Figgy Edited February 10, 2014 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Why are you bothered it won't affect how the gun shoots, not going to harm the gun. Unfortunately, this is not so. The fouling, plastic, lead etc harbours the waste products from the combustion - and without any oil/corrosion protection, this is how pitting starts. Granted with modern powders and primers and in some cases chromed barrels, the risks are lower, but the barrel needs to be CLEAN so that a uniform thin coat of oil/corrosion preventative can be applied to protect the metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Unfortunately, this is not so. The fouling, plastic, lead etc harbours the waste products from the combustion - and without any oil/corrosion protection, this is how pitting starts. Granted with modern powders and primers and in some cases chromed barrels, the risks are lower, but the barrel needs to be CLEAN so that a uniform thin coat of oil/corrosion preventative can be applied to protect the metal. Exactly! That's why I have some very minor pitting near the chamber of my Silver pigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli383 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Just tried getting lots of No.9 in the barrels and letting it soak for about 15 mins then hit it with the bronze brush in the drill, no better i am afraid just cant get it to shine, will take to RFD when I can and update then. Thanks for all the help and advice guys. ATB Oli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Just tried getting lots of No.9 in the barrels and letting it soak for about 15 mins then hit it with the bronze brush in the drill, no better i am afraid just cant get it to shine, will take to RFD when I can and update then. Thanks for all the help and advice guys. ATB Oli Sounds the best plan, especially if it is still under warranty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubble Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 hi oli long time no chat! (I have changed my avatar ) well done on getting your gun and sgc! I have been vexed by cleaning too ! putting a bronze brush down a lovely shinny barrel kills me! I sometimes have to go down 4 times with a wire bush then 4 jags. some carts are better than others I have, in a beretta cleaning kit, a helical wire looped brush shaped 'thing' that gets the lead out when I am stuck, but I'm no expert, as I say , I'm vexed at times :-) Neill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 That happened to me, until i read the fine print on the box of the cleaning kit someone had bought me, and i realized they had bought me a 20 bore kit, which made contact through most the barrel just not the chambers or forcing cones. By a happy accident another family member had bought me one in the correct size, and the 20 bore one now does a good job for cleaning the muzzle loader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 The forcing cones look different when looking up the barrels due to the different angles o whilst th brrel shine like new the cones often look dirty and dull Someone suggested steel wool an steel brush, never use either, small prt break off and can fall on the workbench and then can find there way into any small area and cause heavy wear and easily start rusting. Typical places would beejectors, choke threads, wear on hinge and in side trigger assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchill Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 As Willpoon said earlier, Fine wire wool wrapped around a Jag and its gone. Get it from B&Q its about £2.80. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Someone suggested steel wool an steel brush, never use either, small prt break off and can fall on the workbench and then can find there way into any small area and cause heavy wear and easily start rusting. Typical places would beejectors, choke threads, wear on hinge and in side trigger assembly. 100% agree on wire wool - sheds parts all the time. However, the dedicated steel brush I think has a (specialised) place for really bad fouling - mine seems to be made of stainless as it is at least 50 years old and rust free. It was my Fathers, and I can't remember it ever being used more than very occasionally when brass/bronze didn't do the trick. They used to be quite common and are often found in old gun cases. Some do rust, some not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli383 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Spoke to a guy at gun shop today and showed him the barrels and he said that he could see what I meant and was unsure what it was but said it will definitely not effect the gun at all, said not to use plastic wad for a while and see if it clears itself out if not to bring back in few months and send to GMK when they are less busy. He said you could possibly use a very fine steel wool for shining up silver, let me look at a new and second hand beretta and they both looked the same in the barrels all shiny and a ring where the chambers end but not like mine where it isn't shiny int he forcing cones but hopefully will sort itself out or I will send it off in a few months after a few more opinions. Would like to thanks everyone very much for all the help, advice and opinions on the matter. Many thanks again Oli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hchris Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Why are you bothered it won't affect how the gun shoots, not going to harm the gun. I just leave it in it don't get any worse as it self cleans to a degree, I just clean my barrels and don't worry about a bit of plastic fouling in the forcing cones. The next cartridge you fire will make the same marks. Far to anal with all this getting the barrels spotless. When you clean and polish your shoes, do you polish the soles so they look like new? Or do you just clean the soles and not worry about the marks as soon as you wear them again the soles will mark. Just enjoy your shooting and don't worry about plastic marks in the cones. Figgy +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spannermonkeymark Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I have just got a brand new gun mine has a dull unchromed bit after the chamber and before the chrome starts on the barrel as other have said this is the forcing cones and nothing to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 What you need is a chamber brush , a good quality one will have your bores spotless . I had the same problem with my Maxus and i find my B725 does it to , for some reason i never had this problem with my 525 ? Just put about 50 rounds (fibre) through my new Maxus - Eley Pigeon and something loaded by Gamebore but factored - damn me, I haven't had to scrub so hard since I was in the tin room on jankers. Fortunately, it's now bedded in and the required shims fitted so I can wait until the Rottweil arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano725 Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 With plastic wads this happens toe withy 12g B725 but never with my 20g cynergy. No idea why. Must be about angles and finish. Oh, and i forgot to say, it comes off if you persevere with the brush. its happening on my 725,using fibre wad,thats all I shoot.This last lot of cartridges(eley) is when its happened,never used them before and never had the problem before,but try as I may I cant get the **** off,i use leiga spray and it isn't making a blind bit of difference. looking at the barrels just after the chambers would make anyone think I never cleaned the gun,they are a right mess,i thought it was pitting at first,but its definitely residue of some sort. any ideas how to clear it.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 its happening on my 725,using fibre wad,thats all I shoot.This last lot of cartridges(eley) is when its happened,never used them before and never had the problem before,but try as I may I cant get the **** off,i use leiga spray and it isn't making a blind bit of difference. looking at the barrels just after the chambers would make anyone think I never cleaned the gun,they are a right mess,i thought it was pitting at first,but its definitely residue of some sort. any ideas how to clear it.? If you are using fibre wads, this is probably lead streaks? A good solvent cleaner (I use Youngs 303, but there are plenty that are good) - leave 15 minutes or so to 'work', then a Brass/bronze brush, preferably a Payne Gallwey pattern one. May need a couple of applications if its bad. Follow that with kitchen paper or loo paper to clean out the solvent residue. Then lightly oil. Other than that - there are various ideas, some I would use, some I personally wouldn't (wirewool, electric drills) in the above thread. It IS worth getting clean because corrosion and pitting can start behind lead or plastic fouling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydi73 Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Try attaching your brush and rod to a cordless drill and giving it a couple of run throughs. Had the same problem with plastic residue in my over and under this seems to do the trick every time. +1....I do this all the time, leaves the barrels gleaming.....looks betther than when I purchased my first Beretta 2nd hand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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