Gordon R Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Good idea let them all starve so you can ride on a bus Bit early for a nomination for daft post of the year, but it is a contender. I love how some don't let facts cloud any issue. Priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 In the East Anglian countryside it is a pointless piece of paper. What we need are busses. There is one a week into our market town. Mini bus - So full the poor **** who need it cant all get on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 As is often the case, the spirit in which the passes were initiated is overtaken by greed. I'm with f-w-d. For example, I know a relatively wealthy retired couple who to avoid changing buses drive across the town to the outskirts, park up and then get on the direct bus. Driving another couple of miles would have got them to the Exeter park and ride facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Bit early for a nomination for daft post of the year, but it is a contender. I love how some don't let facts cloud any issue. Priceless. It's not a poxy fact is it get a grip, it's your opinion of which you obviously know very little about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 As is often the case, the spirit in which the passes were initiated is overtaken by greed. I'm with f-w-d. For example, I know a relatively wealthy retired couple who to avoid changing buses drive across the town to the outskirts, park up and then get on the direct bus. Driving another couple of miles would have got them to the Exeter park and ride facility. and that wealthy retired couple will have contributed more then enough to justify a bus pass,seems the spirit in which they where initiated has also been overtaken by envy, I am 62 I have worked since I was 15, I have no need whatsoever for a bus pass or heating allowance when I am entitled to them, will I apply for them? too right I will. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 now if china could openly condemn the ruskies the tele would be getting some viewing. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 It's not a poxy fact is it get a grip, it's your opinion of which you obviously know very little about I clearly know a whole lot more than you. If you can't take it, don't try to dish it out. It's embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 and that wealthy retired couple will have contributed more then enough to justify a bus pass,seems the spirit in which they where initiated has also been overtaken by envy, I am 62 I have worked since I was 15, I have no need whatsoever for a bus pass or heating allowance when I am entitled to them, will I apply for them? too right I will. KW What on earth has envy got to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I'm not sure if I;m supposed to be rich or poor, I'm neither so I'll give it back, (have to WALK to Aldi for my luncheon meat mutter mutter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I clearly know a whole lot more than you. If you can't take it, don't try to dish it out. It's embarrassing. Really my brother in law is an aid worker, and has just returned this weekend from government funded aid work, it's a damn good job we are not all as ignorant to the truth as you clearly are, and some of us support overseas aid Run along and tell a moderator how a nasty man has upset you see if you can't get someone else barred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) If your brother in law is genuinely an aid worker, he ought to know just how little gets through. We all support overseas aid whether we like it or not. Perhaps you should do a little research as your logic has gone awol. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - you too - however naïve you are. Edited March 1, 2014 by Gordon R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Did I not earlier that some gets filtered off, please the subject matter, it's not naive to believe in helping others you quite clearly are only in this for yourself You can't help yourself can you having little digs at other what a big man you are Even if we donate £1m and only £100k gets through that £100k makes a massive massive difference, I would rather we do something than nothing just because there are some a holes on this planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Another thread to go the way of most on here! Let's stop ALL overseas aid, far too much of it is wasted on unnecessary projects. Then we could afford to keep the OAPs travelling around on off peak busses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 sishypops - I don't need to show "what a big man you are" - your post demonstrate your genuine lack of knowledge about the scale of corruption. Now - leaving your rather juvenile jibes to one side - are you honestly saying that you believe that it is fine that 90% of all overseas aid goes into corrupt officials hands? Your figures - not mine - I believe it would be even higher. Is that better than helping needy pensioners in this country? I grant you that some who qualify for a free pass don't need it - financially - but I suspect that it isn't 90% of them. You have you opinion - but just because your relative works in the overseas aid system doesn't make your opinion well informed. Quite the opposite - it seems to have blinkered your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Did I not earlier that some gets filtered off, please the subject matter, it's not naive to believe in helping others you quite clearly are only in this for yourself You can't help yourself can you having little digs at other what a big man you are Even if we donate £1m and only £100k gets through that £100k makes a massive massive difference, I would rather we do something than nothing just because there are some a holes on this planet ok then this is just ONE example, the 70 million "lost" would have well sorted bus passes out but ahem you prefer waste, to need. KW £388 million of taxpayers’ money was poured into the grandly titled scheme aimed at improving Indian schools, the Department for International Development (DfID) trumpeted its success. ‘Remarkable progress is being made,’ boasted the Department’s spin machine, adding that the project had helped ‘to reduce the number of out-of-school children by five million since 2003’. But like so much in the fantasy world of international development, this success story was an illusion. The reality was much less uplifting. According to a report released in May 2011 by the Indian government, no less than £70 million of DfID’s £388 million programme had been stolen or lost. Much of the cash had been allocated to schools that did not exist. A proportion went to buy private cars for officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) sishypops - I don't need to show "what a big man you are" - your post demonstrate your genuine lack of knowledge about the scale of corruption. Now - leaving your rather juvenile jibes to one side - are you honestly saying that you believe that it is fine that 90% of all overseas aid goes into corrupt officials hands? Your figures - not mine - I believe it would be even higher. Is that better than helping needy pensioners in this country? I grant you that some who qualify for a free pass don't need it - financially - but I suspect that it isn't 90% of them. You have you opinion - but just because your relative works in the overseas aid system doesn't make your opinion well informed. Quite the opposite - it seems to have blinkered your thinking. no what i am saying is you have to help despite what others do, if you would rather help needy pensioners get on a bus when people overseas are dying for the sake of a few quid then thats your opinion , its quote obvious that the maths was to show principle not exacts Edited March 1, 2014 by sishyplops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) sishypops - can we call a halt to the silly exchanges. Now this is a straight question. For every million pounds of overseas aid that this country donated, would you still support this, if only 50p got through? I accept you may think that is a low figure - it might be high on the other hand - I just want to establish where you would draw the line. I would appreciate an actual figure. Edited March 1, 2014 by Gordon R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 No I don't personally believe it all goes where it should , but should we just stop giving because some of it gets filtered? The aid that does get through represents life changing solutions , You just look after yourself fella IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THEN YOU ARE EXTRAORDINARILY NIAVE Bit early for a nomination for daft post of the year, but it is a contender. I love how some don't let facts cloud any issue. Priceless. well said sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Really my brother in law is an aid worker, and has just returned this weekend from government funded aid work, it's a damn good job we are not all as ignorant to the truth as you clearly are, and some of us support overseas aid Run along and tell a moderator how a nasty man has upset you see if you can't get someone else barred You really need to grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 no obviously not if only 50p got through, it depends on what the remainder of the £1m goes on, this is why i support world vision charity as much of their work is to fund hands on support, i also support two children in India via sponsorship and although its only two children out of millions and millions it makes a difference to those two, and that is exactly my point on this whole subject, that you will never change the system but why say no and turn our backs because some foreign governments filter funds out form the intended targets yes perhaps i am naive and think that a little makes a differnece thanks for sticking your oar in docholiday, is there another bandwagon you can jump on, Gordon R and myself were getting the world sorted on our own thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 sishypops - I would appreciate a genuine answer - what figure of "filtering" is acceptable to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Zero, what else would i say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I have a bus pass but if all fares cost £1 the council could take it back. I live in the Lake District and in Summer the ordinary travellers have difficulty getting on a bus because they are full of pensioners having a "free" day out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 no obviously not if only 50p got through, it depends on what the remainder of the £1m goes on, this is why i support world vision charity as much of their work is to fund hands on support, i also support two children in India via sponsorship and although its only two children out of millions and millions it makes a difference to those two, and that is exactly my point on this whole subject, that you will never change the system but why say no and turn our backs because some foreign governments filter funds out form the intended targets yes perhaps i am naive and think that a little makes a differnece thanks for sticking your oar in docholiday, is there another bandwagon you can jump on, Gordon R and myself were getting the world sorted on our own thanks Absolutely brilliant, post that on a public forum, sit back and wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 apologies to the OP this has gone well off topic, forgive my part in this insanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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