johnbaz Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Hi all I bought this 1908 BSA Improved model D with straight hand stock and in .177cal yesterday!! The stock was loose so I removed the heel plate and used a long screwdriver to nip it up!! Also there was some rust present which i've removed with oil soaked wire wool!! It also needs the foresight repairing or replacing as the top of the barleycorn bead has been snapped off! (pretty customary with these!! I love older guns!! Some pics.. Her's a BSA Standard from 1936 which is in better nick and is quite powerful!! (.22cal) This one has a pistol grip type stock.. A 1906 BSA Air Rifle in .22cal This one needs some parts making, leather piston seal, screw for the cocking link and both sights need sourcing Some old Webleys.. Top- Webley mk1 from around 1928 (from memory) Centre- Webley mk2 Service from the 40s.. Bottom Webley mk3 in .177cal from the 60s Some little Webbos, mostly older pistols Cheers, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 You sir, are an addict! Lovely stock on the new one and a nice bit of British engineering history too. I'm not particilally interested in the very old rifles, although I can see the appeal, but there is something very appealing about those webley mk1 and mk2 rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 You have quite a collection ( ive seen many more from you ) and yes i am still jealous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Got to be honest-not a Webbo fan but the BSA's are a different matter-wonder how many stories they could tell-love the older guns as, at the moment, many are still an affordable piece of history-treat them well sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Lovely gun I've got my grandfathers one taught my farther, uncle then me to shoot hopefully my lad will have a play as well Still kills a few squirrels each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleFieldRelics Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Is it possible that the older guns exceed todays 12lbs / 6lbs limits as they were around before the limits were imposed? And if so is that a modification that you then have to make or do you pout them on ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Is it possible that the older guns exceed todays 12lbs / 6lbs limits as they were around before the limits were imposed? And if so is that a modification that you then have to make or do you pout them on ticket? Unlikely unless dieseling badly, they were not the most efficient things. At the time 12 ft lb was set as the limit it was more a means of slowing further development power wise. It was the late 70s and on that raised the question with imports from Germany and some of the pump up guns from the USA etc. The HW80 was perhaps the first to raise real concern though as it was right up to the mark and often exceeded it after running in. I have to say few had chronographs anyhow my mate got his seized by police and got it back a few weeks later never having been tested in the mid eighties (these days you can bet it could have been run over one in hours). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbaz Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Unlikely unless dieseling badly, they were not the most efficient things. At the time 12 ft lb was set as the limit it was more a means of slowing further development power wise. It was the late 70s and on that raised the question with imports from Germany and some of the pump up guns from the USA etc. The HW80 was perhaps the first to raise real concern though as it was right up to the mark and often exceeded it after running in. I have to say few had chronographs anyhow my mate got his seized by police and got it back a few weeks later never having been tested in the mid eighties (these days you can bet it could have been run over one in hours). Hi Kent I recall reading that the first batch of HW35s were overpowered and had to be returned to Germany so it could be that the problem started before the HW80 was introduced John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corkycorksta Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Some 20 years ago I was offered one very similar. At the time I had no concept of its future value and neither did I have any interest in antiques. So I rejected his price of £10 and it went down the local boot sale..... Still regretting my youthful disregard for treasure. Lovely piece, I begrudgingly offer congrats :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Nice gun.i've got an improved model ď with a straight hand stock, its not in as good order as yours though.mine has a different cocking arm to yours.another nice old gun I have is a gem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I have to ask how much you paid or their worth as my mate has some the same . He also has a little Gem which no one knows the value of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbaz Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I have to ask how much you paid or their worth as my mate has some the same . He also has a little Gem which no one knows the value of. Hi I paid £100 for the Mod D, I paid £130 for the 1936 Standard and the BSA Air Rifle from 1906 was a freebie (y) gems are very dependent upon condition but never seem to bring high prices unfortunately John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 The quality of the wood is brilliant, would put many modern rifles to shame. I think my uncle has a one in .177 sitting in his cabinet. I think he would give it to me if I asked. Trouble is he lives in Scotland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbaz Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 The quality of the wood is brilliant, would put many modern rifles to shame. I think my uncle has a one in .177 sitting in his cabinet. I think he would give it to me if I asked. Trouble is he lives in Scotland! Maybe a visit is overdue!! Coincidentally a very nice chap in Scotland gave me two rifles foc which arrived via courier yesterday!! A BSA Mercury mk2 and 1950s Diana mod25.. Cheers, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 john it amazes me how you manage to come across so many of these wonderful old rifles , cant be a boot sale item - they have not started up yet ,I have been looking for a BSA improved sporting model for past few years and more recently a Diana model 46 stutzen but with no success , I call in any boot sales and flea markets I come across too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) Hi Kent I recall reading that the first batch of HW35s were overpowered and had to be returned to Germany so it could be that the problem started before the HW80 was introduced John It was the long barrel HW35e (export long barrel model) and the assumption they were over powered was due to the longer barrel (of course we are now well aware that a longer barrel does not help a spring gun) all were ok, The FWB sport got similar issues because they were the first of the truly very accurate guns I think? . Anyone who has worked with these guns will tell you that you have to do quite a bit to them to get them over the limit. The HW80 is easy to take over and prior to spring clipping and routine chrono checks at the importer all that was needed is a couple of tins of pellets through them or a bit of a polish, to take a HW80 over 12 ft lb (well over) is also incredibly easy to take all the way up to useful FAC levels but not to be discussed on a forum as it was designed to run at 18ftlb plus Edited March 27, 2014 by kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 One Word-STUNNING !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Maybe a visit is overdue!! Coincidentally a very nice chap in Scotland gave me two rifles foc which arrived via courier yesterday!! A BSA Mercury mk2 and 1950s Diana mod25.. Cheers, John You have some generous friends! And yes I think it's time I visited the family! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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