17 remington

[steyrman]

Can you buy factory 17 remington ammo in the uk i am thinking of getting a 17 rem but by the look of things ammo seems to be scarce ?

[Dekers]

You answered your own question, yes, but not necessarily easy!

[barrelsniffer]

I have had my 17rem over 10yrs great cal to have in my collection, i reload though much better.

[henry931]

I see norma have it listed it on their website now:

http://www.norma.cc/en/Products/Hunting/17-Rem/Hornady-V-Max-20-gr/

 

IF you will be able to get hold of it I wouldn't like to say whether it will be in line with .222/.223 etc (~£1 a round). It may well end up being eye-wateringly expensive I don't know.

At least you would have very good brass to reload...

 

Nosler have some good brass out now too - I'm guessing it might actually be rebadged norma.

 

IMHO given the availability situation the cartridge needs be handloaded really. If you want to take fox the 25gr V-Max seems to be a better match and has a much better BC than the 20gr V-Max anyway.

 

Also I've heard CZ are going to do a run in their 527 rifles next year.

 

It's a great round and deserves to be more popular over here

[kent]

If your not a hand loader and don't wish to either pass up that one. Getting it now don't mean getting it in a few months time when you need more

[reggiegun]

If your not a hand loader and don't wish to either pass up that one. Getting it now don't mean getting it in a few months time when you need more

+1.

 

You need to home load for 17 rem.

[Salizar]

You can buy it but it is expensive, my local RFD priced it at £38.00 per 20 rounds, that is why I done a one for one variation and went for a .222 Rem. cheaper ammo, especially if it likes Privi Sp

[aga man]

Why not consider the 17 hornet? a mate of mine just bought one and it seems very accurate to around 300 yds. Ammo readily available off the shelf at around 80p a shot.

[Underdog]

Why not consider the 17 hornet? a mate of mine just bought one and it seems very accurate to around 300 yds. Ammo readily available off the shelf at around 80p a shot.

Good point.

Having seen a 17Rem do a lot of vermin and fox many years ago I am an avid fan. It is very safe to use as well! I do wonder though when you see the performance of the little Hornet version just what the Rem could be pushed to!

I know my buddy at the time did not want to push it but I would of!

 

The accuracy of the thing was amazing and I witnessed a couple of fox's shot between the eyes at 300yds or so but I doubt he had it going above 4000.

 

Sure there are better and so on but it is very safe to shoot, case life seemed good too.

 

Struggles in wind above 150yds and just forget it in the lightest of rain!

 

U

[rimmie]

RELOAD !!!!

[wymberley]

It was a while back, but Dennis from UK Gun Repairs had his for sale. He'd blue printed it and it was a sweet as a nut. For the sake of a quick phone call, it may be worth seeing if it's still up for grabs.

[barrelsniffer]

"Forget it in the lightest of rain" ??.. had mine out many times in the rain and its hit after hit in the rain.

[mark@mbb]

I soldmine a couple of months ago to a lads on SD and swears by it but like mickey says the slights wind / rain leave it at home but in the right conditions you couldn't ask for a better vermin rifle and home loading is the way to go they work out about 20p per bullet

[Underdog]

"Forget it in the lightest of rain" ??.. had mine out many times in the rain and its hit after hit in the rain.

Very pleased for you..how far?

[kent]

Rain don't make a jot to a bullet in flight that is tangible. It can raise breach pressure if you have a wet chamber though. The Remington is better than a .17 Hornet for fox and wind because it takes a heavier higher BC bullet and can push it faster. A 20 grain .17 don't give better terminal performance than a HMR other than it having a faster muzzle speed from the Hornet (this can be a bad thing at shorter range and a good thing at longer ranges)

[barrelsniffer]

Very pleased for you..how far?

In LIGHT Rain i've had mine hitting tgts at 300 using either 25gn vmax or 30gn bergers.

[Archie-fox]

I toyed with the idea of a 17fireball but as I know zero about hand loading I gave it a miss..

[Underdog]

In LIGHT Rain i've had mine hitting tgts at 300 using either 25gn vmax or 30gn bergers.

Fair play, my experience is only based on the old Hornady Hpoint bullets.

 

 

Rain don't make a jot to a bullet in flight that is tangible. It can raise breach pressure if you have a wet chamber though. The Remington is better than a .17 Hornet for fox and wind because it takes a heavier higher BC bullet and can push it faster. A 20 grain .17 don't give better terminal performance than a HMR other than it having a faster muzzle speed from the Hornet (this can be a bad thing at shorter range and a good thing at longer ranges)

Kent, rain can and often does affect bullets, especially hollow points. I have witnessed fast Hpoints never reaching the target but a visible puff of steam between somewhere on the way.

A rain drop to a hi velocity CF bullet may as well be a brick. I have also seen more than once bullets turn 90 degrees on a blade of grass.

The 17Rem my bud owned years ago was unreliable on wet nights but that was with one bullet type.

 

Now, how would a wet chamber raise pressure and is there any data covering this?

 

U.

[kent]

Fair play, my experience is only based on the old Hornady Hpoint bullets.

 

 

Kent, rain can and often does affect bullets, especially hollow points. I have witnessed fast Hpoints never reaching the target but a visible puff of steam between somewhere on the way.

A rain drop to a hi velocity CF bullet may as well be a brick. I have also seen more than once bullets turn 90 degrees on a blade of grass.

The 17Rem my bud owned years ago was unreliable on wet nights but that was with one bullet type.

 

Now, how would a wet chamber raise pressure and is there any data covering this?

 

U.

There is no discussing this with you as you are very wrong and don't apparently even know about wet chambers raising pressure. This is basic well known stuff and wet chamber gun pressure rises are well covered in competitive events and part of general gun safety all should know. Many carry a Chamois leather to cover the action in the field in times of rain. Have you never read the warnings about wet ammo?

Work out time of flight and surface area of a .17 cal bullet for yourself and consider the air turbulence around the spinning bullet but most of all get out and actually shoot the things in the rain, some good groups have been shot at places in the rain like Diggle were rain is almost the norm. Its not car racing its rifle shooting

[henry931]

The biggest issue with a wet chamber is that it's now slippery so the brass doesn't stick to it as well under pressure. This increases the pressure/force on the bolt significantly. This is also why you don't want to fire your rifle with oil in the chamber.

[Underdog]

There is no discussing this with you as you are very wrong and don't apparently even know about wet chambers raising pressure. This is basic well known stuff and wet chamber gun pressure rises are well covered in competitive events and part of general gun safety all should know. Many carry a Chamois leather to cover the action in the field in times of rain. Have you never read the warnings about wet ammo?

Work out time of flight and surface area of a .17 cal bullet for yourself and consider the air turbulence around the spinning bullet but most of all get out and actually shoot the things in the rain, some good groups have been shot at places in the rain like Diggle were rain is almost the norm. Its not car racing its rifle shooting

So lets see, what your saying is I am beneath you and not worthy of any education other than apart from your word of mouth! Is that correct Kent?

 

The target shooting at Diggle....was it with 17 Remington's?

 

Can you enlighten me where the link to car racing applies....am confused a little by that one!

 

Kent, I/we did shoot it in the rain! Why else would I of related my experience. For three years we shot nearly every Friday night and other days on fox and rabbit, crows and other all year round.

 

Tell me please, how much must I shoot to be as good as you must be?

 

Are you on medication Kent, you seem to get your panties all knotted up real easy, it could help me to understand

 

U.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Underdog

[Underdog]

Ok....I think it is .270". The surface area of a .172" bullet. Next up is time of flight but for how far Kent?

[kent]

Ok, then a .17 rem is good for 4000 fps. take a constant speed of say 3000 fps = 1000 yards in 1 full second so over 100,200,300 yards 0.1,0.2,0.3 of a second (just easy maths not too in depth, don't need to be). Surface area is tiny so just imagine putting that bullet on a wall when it is raining and watching, how long before a raindrop scores a hit while you wait? There harps to an old question of can you out run rain and also the well known answer of only if you stay in it less time (5 mins running is the same as 5 stood still)

Now the bullet has disturbed air around it can the raindrop actually get through this? and score a direct hit? Remember the chances of one being on the correct trajectory is still slim during time. Now the kinetic energy imparted by a raindrop is way less than that held by the bullet (hitting stationary fixed grass and stubble is very different as that needs cutting through)

 

Above all though shooting in the rain, scores will only suffer if the rain is accompanied by a wind (when its the wind not the rain that has effect) or the shooter themselves is put off by being rained on. A raindrop will not significantly change the flight of a .17 rem or a .17 hmr traveling slower for that matter.

[SPARKIE]

are we talking a little bit of stinging rain... and big ole fat rain....rain that flew in sideways....and sometimes rain even came streight up from underneath....it even rained at night.....forest gump.

Edited May 6, 2014 by SPARKIE

[cleaner4hire]

What about the fine rain that soaks you through?

 

In fairness I've used my 17 Rem in some really ****ty weather and never had a blow out from a rain drop. It is pretty cool to watch the vapour trail as it flies along though!