Fisherman Mike Posted May 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) I am neither in denial nor mercenary. You may be. That is your privilege in a democracy which is the part I'm interested in. And so is Ukip. The cornerstone of their doctrine, as you out it, is restoring democratic accountability and self governance, not mere bean counting, or buying voter quiescence. And there must be a good few million people who agree with me rather than you. We shall see in a week's time. There's none so blind... keep saying that to yourself and you will soon believe it. I admire your unswerving but misplaced loyalty however. It maybe so...a protest vote will be cast by millions probably in favour of UKIP, safe in the knowledge that it wont affect their personal circumstances, income and standard of living, it will be completely different when we come to the big boys politics. We asked a hundred people if they would vote for a party if there was a real danger of their disposable income reducing...... our survey said....................Eh Ehhhh... I think you underestimate the amount of abject misery caused by this recent recession to many millions of ordinary people who haven't been fortunate enough to be isolated from it. When it comes to domestic politics they are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. ( in my opinion) Edited May 15, 2014 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 everything is going to change anyway lol The English Language is About To Change. Are You Ready For This? thanksforasking http://www.tickld.com/funny/t/804247 5 days ago The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as 'Euro-English'. In the first year, 's' will replace the soft 'c'. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard 'c' will be dropped in favour of 'k'. This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome 'ph' will be replaced with 'f'. This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent 'e' in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away. By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing 'th' with 'z' and 'w'with 'v'. During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary 'o' kan be dropd from vords kontaining 'ou' and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru. Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas. Vel sed tok U a long time tinking that one uit It will through a side ball into those people who want to get british citizenship and have been learning english from a recording. I vil ned to get mine Janet & John boks updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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welsh1 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 I would just like to say a big thank you to Fishermanmike for getting us to the 11th page,and in fact being the 1st poster on the said page. Here's to you FM the best friend a ukip supporter could have . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Democracy is a great thing. The problem is I wouldn't trust the British public with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 There's none so blind... keep saying that to yourself and you will soon believe it. I admire your unswerving but misplaced loyalty however. It maybe so...a protest vote will be cast by millions probably in favour of UKIP, safe in the knowledge that it wont affect their personal circumstances, income and standard of living, it will be completely different when we come to the big boys politics. We asked a hundred people if they would vote for a party if there was a real danger of their disposable income reducing...... our survey said....................Eh Ehhhh... I think you underestimate the amount of abject misery caused by this recent recession to many millions of ordinary people who haven't been fortunate enough to be isolated from it. When it comes to domestic politics they are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. ( in my opinion) Labour spent like it was going out of fashion, sold gold assets and raided pension schemes which has gone some way to creating the pension problems we have know. Whilst we know it was world wide recession, we would have been better placed to ride it out if the fiscal policy had been better. Remember GG saying he had solved "boom and bust" later to be changed to "Tory boom and bust" It was his King Canute moment. I see a lot of benefits in UKIP policy but i do not see any fiscal transparency or plans that would make them electable at the moment. I only see the current merry-go-round of Labour spend, Tory cut. Saying that, the last few years of Labour was all smoke and mirrors, some people forget that they spent like idiots in the good times , hoping that housing would keep up. Like it or not, what we have now is the norm. As it was in the early 90s and the 70s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) Is that the best contribution you can make to a lively but non vexatious debate ? I started the topic..how can I possibly be A troll ? Go and club that bear ! Edited May 15, 2014 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 I would just like to say a big thank you to Fishermanmike for getting us to the 11th page,and in fact being the 1st poster on the said page. Here's to you FM the best friend a ukip supporter could have . Ha Clutching at straws now my friend.....That's OK you need the votes after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) Ha Clutching at straws now my friend.....That's OK you need the votes after all. Keep going Mike we need 12 pages Edited May 15, 2014 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 There. I found a nicer sketch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 For all you people getting worked up out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 What are UKIP offering exactly. ?Change. Don't forget to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 What are UKIP offering exactly. ? The same old, racism, , intolerance, misogyny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 The same old, racism, , intolerance, misogyny... No henry, we are not talking about labour and the tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 You are confusing different issues, these are not to do with the EU elections, they are not fighting for EU seats they are fighting for the GE next year. I know, I was merely trying to show how nothing has changed. The same old parties cynically vomiting out the same old tired tripe year after year after year, regardless of whether its a euro election, local election or general election.Time for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 And one last thing,I have to thank you and FM,without you two these threads would have died long ago and no one would have engaged in the topic,thank you from the bottom of my heart for keeping UKIP in everyone's minds. What you just do not get, my friend, is that there are a lot of intelligent P/W members out there who will not be posting on this topic but will be reading and assimilating the arguments for and against UKIP & Mr Farage.... Neither you nor I can assume how many of these interested observers will vote for UKIP or will vote for one of the other political parties next week - the fact that the thread has got to 11 pages is something to celebrated - it has - in the main - been a civilised and thoughtful debate and I have no doubt that one or two voters who may have been unsure how to cast their vote may well have been influenced either by the pro or the anti UKIP arguments. So, I am sorry but I don't think those of us who disagree with you are worthy of your heartfelt thanks..... All the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 With all due respect, I don't believe that isn't actually the case for most people. Most folk are heartily sick of the incumbents and in politics in general but, and here is the important bit, they also find the 'only alternative' just as repugnant - if not more so. Most people aren't desperate to keep the status quo, instead they have a healthy skepticism for snake-oil salesmen that promise all sorts but tend to deliver nothing. That is why the recurrent theme in these threads is essentially 'I don't like the EU/immigration - I'll take a punt on UKIP' - it may have a flamboyant, silk-shirted jockey but it's a pretty poor 100-1 nag to gamble on. (Sorry, should have said in my opinion) there maybe a few words of truth in this most people are fed up of politicians and many dont trust ukip, will be interesting to see what happens in the elections but whatever happens it should not be seen as a marker for the general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) What you just do not get, my friend, is that there are a lot of intelligent P/W members out there who will not be posting on this topic but will be reading and assimilating the arguments for and against UKIP & Mr Farage.... Neither you nor I can assume how many of these interested observers will vote for UKIP or will vote for one of the other political parties next week - the fact that the thread has got to 11 pages is something to celebrated - it has - in the main - been a civilised and thoughtful debate and I have no doubt that one or two voters who may have been unsure how to cast their vote may well have been influenced either by the pro or the anti UKIP arguments. So, I am sorry but I don't think those of us who disagree with you are worthy of your heartfelt thanks..... All the best Oh woodcock you misunderstand me,i totally get there are intelligent people out there in PW land,and they are intelligent enough to make up their own mind. I never presume that i know what an individual is thinking,or how he/she will vote,that is for them to know. I celebrate the fact that this thread has got to 11 pages because a normal thread about this type of thing last one or two pages,but thanks to you two you keep chipping in and keeping the momentum, you then post some of the lamest arguments,and so totally off skew as to what UKIP are about and what a vote for them is that it shows the desperation in some quarters and the fact that there are people out there like yourself who cannot accept that the political elite are conning you time and time again. The main parties fear UKIP, they realise there is another option being offered, one that does not fit into their plans and one they do not want you to follow,they are scared and are lashing out,The same can be said by individuals who are frightened of change, they have been conditioned since birth that you vote for one of the main parties and they then do what they want,but there is another way,the way it was years ago before spin and career politicians, where charismatic individuals rallied people behind them and had visions of a Great Britain,and acted in the interests of their country not an unelected all powerful committee who answer to no one. There are people who will follow blindly,and there are people who will open their eyes. Open your eyes see where successive parties have taken this country,higher taxes, recessions,100's of new laws, 1000's of pages of useless legislation all generated from the EU,sorry i meant your government ,but then i think i was probably right the first time Edited May 15, 2014 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 looks like FM falcon and psycho have seen the latest poll figures showing UKIP about to whup the cons ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 looks like FM falcon and psycho have seen the latest poll figures showing UKIP about to whup the cons ***** very good I did find that quite funny..however they are purely mesmerised by Nigels antics.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 very good I did find that quite funny..however they are purely mesmerised by Nigels antics.... Good self portrait FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 This FM is the position you should adopt if you continue to vote for the main parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 This FM is the position you should adopt if you continue to vote for the main parties. Cumon stop stealing my ideas... think of some of your own... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Cumon stop stealing my ideas... think of some of your own... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) On a serious note... Many Millions of UKIP voters will be voting for the very first time. After you have marked the UKIP box in the polling station be sure to put your ballot paper in the right receptacle on leaving or it will be spoiled. To avoid any confusion this will be similar to the one below. Edited May 15, 2014 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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