Appeal for Gaza

[Hamster]

Hi Velocette, there has been jewish communities in most Arab countries for hundreds if not thousands of years, Iran still has a small jewish area iirc, Iraq had one Syria had quite a sizeable one so on and so forth, until recently even Kabul had some jews living there, although apparently just 1 stubborn guy remains. If you check on the net you will find them, Israel though has more Moques than all the arab countries put together have synagogues.

 

 

S

 

 

I'm used to reading shlurrrp on the mid east but this one is not a twisted fact or lie presented as gospel, it is provably untrue as there are twice as many synagogues in Turkey and Iran alone than mosques in Israel. And why shouldn't there be loads of Mosques in Israel since it was predominantly muslim land a few decades ago !

Edited August 9, 2014 by Hamster

[Velocette]

Hi Velocette, there has been jewish communities in most Arab countries for hundreds if not thousands of years, Iran still has a small jewish area iirc, Iraq had one Syria had quite a sizeable one so on and so forth, until recently even Kabul had some jews living there, although apparently just 1 stubborn guy remains. If you check on the net you will find them, Israel though has more Moques than all the arab countries put together have synagogues.

 

 

S

Thanks for that,the notion of the "Wandering Jew" has some historical basis then.

[Mr-Sheen]

To all the people saying you find it hard to have sympathy for the palestinians you should be down right ashamed of yourselves.

 

It is the children who are suffering and in no way are they responsible for electing Hamas into power and nor are they responsible for the rocket fire. They are on the end of what is a zionist attempt at ethnic cleansing. To have no sympathy for children and innocent people who are being slaughtered is appalling, and i genuinely think that some of you should be ashamed of your views and you should perhaps do a little more reading into the plight of the civilians of palestine before you go toting your daily mail based opinions on what as a whole is a forum of very sensible people.

 

More worrying is that people who cannot feel empathy with the suffering of others less 'worthy' than themselves are often the ones who go on to commit serious crimes, and to think that some of you are in possession of firearms makes me worry for the kind of world my children will grow up in.

I will edit this post to add that as a whole, i totally disagree with what Hamas stand for, they are an evil organisation and the way that they put their own civilians in the line of fire is disgusting. However i will say that there is very little surprise as to why they were elected. Israel has a right to defend itself but the erosion of palestinian borders and the forcing of the people to live in slums is so similar to 1940's germany it makes my skin crawl. To think that with a nation of such a dark recent history they have so little consideration for what they are doing.

Edited August 9, 2014 by Mr-Sheen

[scobydog]

 

 

I'm used to reading shlurrrp on the mid east but this one is not a twisted fact or lie presented as gospel, it is provably untrue as there are twice as many synagogues in Turkey and Iran alone than mosques in Israel. And why shouldn't there be loads of Mosques in Israel since it was predominantly muslim land a few decades ago !

the ones you are talking about are all virtually redundant and most of the ones in Israel have been erected within the last 50 yrs, and if you ever go to Israel you will see jews and arabs quite happily drinking coffees at cafes side by side, whereas you go to Palestine you will see absolutely none of this because of hamas sheer intolerance of other races of people.

[Gordon R]

I will decide when I should feel ashamed. I do not need someone patronising and telling to read up on the subject. Perhaps some posters might do some reading about what is happening to innocent people / children in neighbouring countries. Then again, they aren't flavour of the day.

 

Would anyone care to speculate just how much money will go to children, as opposed to buying some more rockets? Live Aid readily springs to mind.

 

When the Palestinians fire rockets into Israel, how do they avoid hitting innocent children? More luck than judgement. Do they care - I suspect not.

 

More worrying is that people who cannot feel empathy with the suffering of others less 'worthy' than themselves are often the ones who go on to commit serious crimes,

 

 

As drivel quotes go, that is up there.

Edited August 9, 2014 by Gordon R

[Mr-Sheen]

Gordon, I dont dispute that the giving of money is a trivial and pointless affair, because it will never reach the people it is there to help.

However to be unable to empathise with the suffering of innocent children is beyond weird in my opinion. I am not a great contributed to the forum but from reading your many of your posts, if someone doesn't agree with you, then you just result in belittling people, so if being rude to people on the internet is your way of demonstrating your masculinity, then go ahead.

As for drivel, i imagine your experience involving mental health would be far greater than mine, considering it is the bulk of my job. But please go ahead and enlighten the forum as you always do by being generally rude and unpleasant.

[poontang]

What's mental health experience got to do with anything?

 

Have I missed something?

[Mr-Sheen]

What's mental health experience got to do with anything?

 

Have I missed something?

Mental health experience has a lot to do with understanding the psychosocial nature of people. In my experience, a lot of domestic violence and even murder cases are often committed by people who cannot empathise with the suffering and emotions of animals/children and the elderly, these people often mistreat, to the point of torture the people i have mentioned and then go on to commit a more serious crime which is then highlighted and is left for the EMS to deal with. So just from my experience i have had working around people involving their mental health, i feel that my quote was no less drivel than the one proceeding it.

 

I hope that clears it up.

 

Also if you would like me to provide some evidence i will be able to quote to you later from some of my texts.

Edited August 9, 2014 by Mr-Sheen

[Gordon R]

Mr Sheen is an expert. I am not the one who pompously told anyone who didn't agree with him, that they should be ashamed.

 

He appears to read minds as well. However, he omits that I sympathise with the plight of the Palestinian children, just as I sympathise with Israeli children, Syrian children, Iraqi children and many more.

 

As for belittling other posters, I find that odd. Some dish out stick and then cry foul. I find that rather simplistic and child-like.

 

He needs to read his own posts - rude and unpleasant in my opinion. What he has written about mental health was nonsensical, prior to his explanation, which adds nothing to any debate.

Edited August 9, 2014 by Gordon R

[sitsinhedges]

I would be more concerned with the brain washed hatred fomented by those childrens' parents than coming on here making accusations about our mental health. I really couldn't give a toss about any of them, they only seem to be happy when they are whipping themselves up in to a frenzy spewing their religion based bile forth.

[pigeonblasterian]

The IDF are slaughtering civilians and trying to justify it by saying that they are being used as human shields.In the 2009 Gaza conflict the IDF were using Palestinians as human shields.

[kdubya]

To all the people saying you find it hard to have sympathy for the palestinians you should be down right ashamed of yourselves.

 

It is the children who are suffering and in no way are they responsible for electing Hamas into power and nor are they responsible for the rocket fire. They are on the end of what is a zionist attempt at ethnic cleansing. To have no sympathy for children and innocent people who are being slaughtered is appalling, and i genuinely think that some of you should be ashamed of your views and you should perhaps do a little more reading into the plight of the civilians of palestine before you go toting your daily mail based opinions on what as a whole is a forum of very sensible people.

 

More worrying is that people who cannot feel empathy with the suffering of others less 'worthy' than themselves are often the ones who go on to commit serious crimes, and to think that some of you are in possession of firearms makes me worry for the kind of world my children will grow up in.

 

I will edit this post to add that as a whole, i totally disagree with what Hamas stand for, they are an evil organisation and the way that they put their own civilians in the line of fire is disgusting. However i will say that there is very little surprise as to why they were elected. Israel has a right to defend itself but the erosion of palestinian borders and the forcing of the people to live in slums is so similar to 1940's germany it makes my skin crawl. To think that with a nation of such a dark recent history they have so little consideration for what they are doing.

I have more sympathy for the Palestinian kids than Hamas have, perhaps if they actually stopped using schools, hospitals and kids as shields, and stop antagonising long enough for Israel to believe they were serious about peace, the kids would not suffer,strange thing is we are seeing christian kids slaughtered in Iraq by Muslims yet when we intervene there we say its non of our business, pray tell me what is the difference please?

 

KW

[Hamster]

the ones you are talking about are all virtually redundant and most of the ones in Israel have been erected within the last 50 yrs, and if you ever go to Israel you will see jews and arabs quite happily drinking coffees at cafes side by side, whereas you go to Palestine you will see absolutely none of this because of hamas sheer intolerance of other races of people.

 

You know this how ? You have travelled to Iran and Turkey and sat outside their synagogues for days and days and ascertained that they are virtually redundant ?

 

I don't tend to get involved with these types of discussions on internet forums because quite frankly you're all preaching to the converted, meaning the majority tend to be sat facing the same way churning out the same old tired lines about the mid easterners being bad and everyfink and patting each other on the back with rhetorical one liners.

 

Few are interested in fair debate or the truth, it seems enough that you innately dislike one party. I can see Mr. Sheen's point, by all means don't give to the Gaza Appeal, I won't, but to exhibit such callous lack of empathy for thousands of innocent people having been bombed and trying to justify yourself by playing the "they started it card" is sad.

[scobydog]

 

You know this how ? You have travelled to Iran and Turkey and sat outside their synagogues for days and days and ascertained that they are virtually redundant ?

 

I don't tend to get involved with these types of discussions on internet forums because quite frankly you're all preaching to the converted, meaning the majority tend to be sat facing the same way churning out the same old tired lines about the mid easterners being bad and everyfink and patting each other on the back with rhetorical one liners.

 

Few are interested in fair debate or the truth, it seems enough that you innately dislike one party. I can see Mr. Sheen's point, by all means don't give to the Gaza Appeal, I won't, but to exhibit such callous lack of empathy for thousands of innocent people having been bombed and trying to justify yourself by playing the "they started it card" is sad.

no I have not, but I have been to Israel and seen 1st hand muslims using mosques that are reasonably newly built, and if you look on the net you will find as I did that these synagogues are no longer in use as there are no jews living in a lot of these areas anymore because of various others driving them out. I never at any point used a " they started it card" if you can point out this I will admit it, and no I have absolutely no empathy for a people who vote in an organisation that seem intent on destroying there own land to further their own ends. However I do feel so sorry for the kids as they are being brain washed by warmongers so that they grow up knowing no better.

[Spaniel]

Personally I think both sides need to stop this bloody fighting as it is incident kids etc which are being killed then let's talk about assisting them

I'm just not convinced any money given will go to those who need it at the present time

[Thedeerman]

I recall only one person has been killed by Palestinian rockets, and they weren't Israeli.

 

There is one thing for sure, you can't solve problems with violence by being violent.

 

Stop stealing land and limiting food supplies and things would get better..

[kdubya]

Personally I think both sides need to stop this bloody fighting as it is incident kids etc which are being killed then let's talk about assisting them

I'm just not convinced any money given will go to those who need it at the present time

 

If only but when you have one side dedicated to the total eradication of the other, who fortunately at present dont have the means of doing that, and the other side fully aware that one day they will, it will and can only go one way till that threat has gone, sadly with the 14th century warlord mentality and lack of value of life still in today's Arabs what other choice Israel have?

[Thedeerman]

sadly with the 14th century warlord mentality and lack of value of life still in today's Arabs what other choice Israel have?

I have spent some time in the Middle East in various countries, I've never encountered this mentality. I have never felt so safe on the streets of a strange country at night as I did in Qatar or Bahrain.

[Fisherman Mike]

So until they were placed there after WW2 there were none in the region.

 

There certainly were...Jesus King of the Jews was from Nazareth which is in Israel...or so I'm told

 

The united Nations started this problem and they should sort it out.

[Thedeerman]

Unfortunately Palestine don't have representation at the UN.

[norfolk dumpling]

And a few dozen Americans! How many times have you heard an israeli spokesperson with a very American accent?

[Fisherman Mike]

I have spent some time in the Middle East in various countries, I've never encountered this mentality. I have never felt so safe on the streets of a strange country at night as I did in Qatar or Bahrain.

Me too worked in Saudi, Bahrain and Qatar for a couple of years in the mid 80,s

[kdubya]

I have spent some time in the Middle East in various countries, I've never encountered this mentality. I have never felt so safe on the streets of a strange country at night as I did in Qatar or Bahrain.

er that will be two almost police states where human rights abuses are on the watch list, and where migrant workers are exploited, minority religious beliefs are not tolerated and anyone who speaks out about "the system" is killed yep nice places.

 

KW

[Hamster]

I have only ever known three Yemenis, one Iraqi and one Saudi and they were all ruddy nice people, not one of them ever even spoke of Islam and only one didn't drink. They're all just people.

[timmytree]

Me too worked in Saudi, Bahrain and Qatar for a couple of years in the mid 80,s

Not quite the same as Palestine, Syria, Iraq or Iran though is it?

Maybe the Saudis, Kuwaitis and so on would like to use some of their oil money to help with the humanitarian effort?

Or maybe not, since they never seem to dip their hands in their pockets for anyone, even their own people. They even expect the Western world to rescue them when they get invaded.