snipers eye Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 hi folks,how much more range could i expect from .22 hv rounds over subsonic, shooting rabbits,and would using a mod cut down the sound of hv rounds any?,thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Quite a lot more range, and HV are no so accurate as sub sonic. A moderator would not cut out the report of HV rounds, but would take the edge off it. It would still be loud though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 We were using one for covert fox shooting Thursday night and they were shooting fairly flat to 100yds and easily knocking a fox over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipers eye Posted August 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 thanks lads,so 100+ yard bunnies should be no problem with good shot placement with hv rounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 100yds is very do-able with subs, with a bit of practice to work out your drops but hv will probably give you a bit more punch at range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) hi folks,how much more range could i expect from .22 hv rounds over subsonic, shooting rabbits,and would using a mod cut down the sound of hv rounds any?,thanks all None, they fly flatter but have a poor BC giving increased windages over subs and lower accuracy also effected badly when they pass near and through the sound barrier " transonic zone" For reference to this most early test pilots who crashed breaking the sound barrier actually lost it when slowing back down again. The range of a .22 LR is governed by the shooter and the consistency of his ammo not the speed it leaves the muzzle at the start of its journey 100yds is very do-able with subs, with a bit of practice to work out your drops but hv will probably give you a bit more punch at range Not actually as much as one might think once you get out some the gap is closed up as they are a lighter bullet normally and are not that much faster once you get to 100 yards due to poor BC Edited August 16, 2014 by kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Ahhh ok, well either way the foxes didn't seem to appreciate them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Strangely Velocitors stay accurate through transonic speeds in my CZ452 & are as accurate as subs.Don't normally use them because of noise but certainly hit with authority! http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=2&loadNo=0047 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Strangely Velocitors stay accurate through transonic speeds in my CZ452 & are as accurate as subs.Don't normally use them because of noise but certainly hit with authority! http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=2&loadNo=0047 I found them among the best in their class however no match on wind or accuracy side by side with the better subs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 What HV make up for with in Energy, they seem to sacrifice in accuracy. Don't they just, my experience with them makes the comment above a vast understatement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) I've used a few boxes of RWS HP HV's through my .22LR Anschutz and the results have been very pleasing. Really good accuracy. Looks like i'm in the minority here but heyho this is what i've found. Edited August 18, 2014 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) What HV make up for with in Energy, they seem to sacrifice in accuracy. Whilst a HV (and there are many different velocity of HV .22lr) will tend to carry further than a sub, Fister has it spot on in my opinion. Edited August 18, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) i tried half a dozen hv rounds and found them very poor accuracy wise till i tried velocitors and found they grouped very well at 100 yards they will hit a golf ball size target at 100 yards no problem, though they are the only hv rounds i have found that will do that, and unlike a lot of other hv rounds they are 40grain same as most subs colin Edited August 18, 2014 by colin lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 i tried half a dozen hv rounds and found them very poor accuracy wise till i tried velocitors and found they grouped very well at 100 yards they will hit a golf ball size target at 100 yards no problem, though they are the only hv rounds i have found that will do that, and unlike a lot of other hv rounds they are 40grain same as most subs colin the velocitors I had were not 40 grn they were lighter, anyhow they are all gone though I did go to the safe and check this fact out at the time. Anyhow as a HV they were the best yet but no match for a sub just flatter at 100, as both subs and HV need a fair correction correction I thought were is the point? then dumped the whole idea I had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 the velocitors I had were not 40 grn they were lighter, anyhow they are all gone though I did go to the safe and check this fact out at the time. Anyhow as a HV they were the best yet but no match for a sub just flatter at 100, as both subs and HV need a fair correction correction I thought were is the point? then dumped the whole idea I had i am still at the stage of can't make my mind up i do see good and not so good points to using them, was out last night with the lr and night vision with velocitors and was doing well, didn't seem to bother the rabbit's either there was a few occasions where there was multiple rabbits and the noise was not bothering them, in fact the sub's was scaring them more colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 i am still at the stage of can't make my mind up i do see good and not so good points to using them, was out last night with the lr and night vision with velocitors and was doing well, didn't seem to bother the rabbit's either there was a few occasions where there was multiple rabbits and the noise was not bothering them, in fact the sub's was scaring them more colin What were the subs scaring them to death? LOL! come on think about it, give me a reason for that, other than chance. Of course everyone is free to choose but if you speak to 100 experienced bunny shooters with moderated .22 lr rifles I bet you get about 90 saying subs all the way. Nine out of ten cats cant be wrong surely? I have shot doubles and trebles with the hornet of course and did with my HMR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) i am still at the stage of can't make my mind up i do see good and not so good points to using them, was out last night with the lr and night vision with velocitors and was doing well, didn't seem to bother the rabbit's either there was a few occasions where there was multiple rabbits and the noise was not bothering them, in fact the sub's was scaring them more colin Of the HV, the Velocitors, (mine were listed 40g, never actually weighed them), were probably second best accuracy wise to the Remington HP Yellow Jacket, I think they were 1500ft sec. Despite the fact they were about 32/33g I seem to remember they flew remarkably similarly to the Velocitors. In both cases a 60yard zero with subs produced an almost spot on zero at 100yards with those two HV without touching the scope. Velocitors were tight to chamber, in some cases it took real effort. They did have a use for me and the accuracy was ok, nothing more. These two were without doubt the best HV in my rifle, all the others I tried were worse, in some cases far worse, but as well as the inherent issues of HV in a .22lr, you always come back to individual guns and their ammo favourite, so it doesn't mean these will be best for everyone. All my .22lr are dedicated sub tools these days, if I want more grunt or range I use my HMR or WMR, which in both cases give me far more in every respect than a HV .22lr! How much are those Velocitors now, they were not cheap back when I used them?! Edited August 19, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) What were the subs scaring them to death? LOL! come on think about it, give me a reason for that, other than chance. Of course everyone is free to choose but if you speak to 100 experienced bunny shooters with moderated .22 lr rifles I bet you get about 90 saying subs all the way. Nine out of ten cats cant be wrong surely? I have shot doubles and trebles with the hornet of course and did with my HMRi can only say what happened and it was as i said, i had this happen before and found it strange and when i spoke to my local gun shop owner he said he has had it a lot and so have some of his customer's,he put it down to the fact that when one rabbit get's shot that the others around him can hear the thud as opposed to when shot with a hv round or hmr that the sonic bang mask's the sound of the bullet hitting the other rabbit, the remaining rabbits then go on munching away oblivious as to what has happened, when he told me it did sound viable and it came from someone i know who shoot's a lot of rabbits edit to say i too do mostly sub work but this night i was using hv and lee who i went with was using subs. i also shot a few with the .222 too colin Edited August 19, 2014 by colin lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 None, they fly flatter but have a poor BC giving increased windages over subs and lower accuracy also effected badly when they pass near and through the sound barrier " transonic zone" For reference to this most early test pilots who crashed breaking the sound barrier actually lost it when slowing back down again. The range of a .22 LR is governed by the shooter and the consistency of his ammo not the speed it leaves the muzzle at the start of its journey Not actually as much as one might think once you get out some the gap is closed up as they are a lighter bullet normally and are not that much faster once you get to 100 yards due to poor BC None, they fly flatter but have a poor BC giving increased windages over subs and lower accuracy also effected badly when they pass near and through the sound barrier " transonic zone" For reference to this most early test pilots who crashed breaking the sound barrier actually lost it when slowing back down again. The range of a .22 LR is governed by the shooter and the consistency of his ammo not the speed it leaves the muzzle at the start of its journey Not actually as much as one might think once you get out some the gap is closed up as they are a lighter bullet normally and are not that much faster once you get to 100 yards due to poor BC Complete tosh. Test pilots. Sound barrier. You clearly know sod all about aerodynamics. Every heard of an all moving tail plane? Gotta love the Internet. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Complete tosh. Test pilots. Sound barrier. You clearly know sod all about aerodynamics. Every heard of an all moving tail plane? Gotta love the Internet. Lol If your going to make such an rude statement hadn't you better put forwards your actual case and what it is you think or feel I am wrong on? I am not pretending to know about building planes my knowledge of the test pilots literally came from a program a few nights ago, it was staggeringly brave what those guys did and most lost it after the barrier and slowing not breaking through it as they first feared, it is to this I reffer. My technical knowledge of planes is limited to how to get on and off but I have made quite a few of the bits that hang off them, not that I would know what a lot of them were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Complete tosh. Test pilots. Sound barrier. You clearly know sod all about aerodynamics. Every heard of an all moving tail plane? Gotta love the Internet. Lol Let us try to be polite and factual, please, otherwise this forum will become an unpleasant and not very useful place. I am now putting on my tin hat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Not to sure about accuracy but the gun digest book of .22 rimfire states that cci velocitors are the hardest hitting .22lr rounds available because of there 40 grain weight and therefore also carry there energy furthest. Most other hypervelocity ( not high velocity!) Use a lot lower weight bullet so is more prone to deviation with wind etc. I personally found them quite accurate at 100 yards but like so many, if you want to shoot rabbits in numbers subs cannot be beaten. Certainly where I shoot once they here that sonic crack its a long walk to find next shot!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 i can only say what happened and it was as i said, i had this happen before and found it strange and when i spoke to my local gun shop owner he said he has had it a lot and so have some of his customer's, he put it down to the fact that when one rabbit get's shot that the others around him can hear the thud as opposed to when shot with a hv round or hmr that the sonic bang mask's the sound of the bullet hitting the other rabbit, the remaining rabbits then go on munching away oblivious as to what has happened, when he told me it did sound viable and it came from someone i know who shoot's a lot of rabbits edit to say i too do mostly sub work but this night i was using hv and lee who i went with was using subs. i also shot a few with the .222 too colin Been having a think about why this happens and yes I have seen it at times! I figure they hear the whack as the sub strikes and run from were it is located, with the HV they just cant place the threat so sometimes don't know the direction to run in. Now this Morn I shot four bunnies sequentially with subs literally one two, three, four all with in feet of each other in a walled yard outside an empty cattle shed. I don't think I recall ever doing that with HMR or Hornet etc., indeed I got very few doubles with the HMR ( though that could just be were and when I used it) The multiples I have shot with the hornet have mostly been more distant and its quieter than the HMR was with their respective moderators so I cant really class those in with the .22 lr. If you honestly stuck to choose just do what practically all bunny shooters do with their .22s and use subs (other than that its your choice as an individual) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I have always found the best Hi - velocity round in my Finfire where Remington Yellow Jacket, CCI ammo is pants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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