brett1985 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Fun and games while shooting sporting today... bad cartridge, wad stuck in the barrel and an expulsion of brass and red hot propellant and gasses. Thankfully i still have all of my fingers, and my eyesight. Theres alot to be said for wearing eye protection! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 What cartridge was it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del T Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Ohh nasty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Clean the powder out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Sounds odd a squib wouldn't normally do that, possibly a hang fire? Glad your ok, from photo it looks like the brass has blown out the side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 It was a 21 gram number 8. Cant remember tge make bit i'll have a look at the others when i get home and let you all know. To be honest, it happened so quickly it took me a second or two to work out WHAT had happened. It had released the next cart from the mag tube which managed to get wedged between the half open bolt and the lifter, jamming everything up solid. I dropped the trigger group out and removed the stuck cartridge and found that the bolt assembly had wedged in place too. Ive free'd it all off, stripped it, removed the wad from the barrel and checked everything over for any signs of cracks and/or bulges and it all looks ok. The brass and gasses flew out of the ejection port, spraying my face in the proccess. Just extremely glad i was wearing eye protection! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Do you shoot a RH semi LH or vice versa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 is it a TRUST cartridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 It was a 21 gram number 8. Cant remember tge make bit i'll have a look at the others when i get home and let you all know. To be honest, it happened so quickly it took me a second or two to work out WHAT had happened. It had released the next cart from the mag tube which managed to get wedged between the half open bolt and the lifter, jamming everything up solid. I dropped the trigger group out and removed the stuck cartridge and found that the bolt assembly had wedged in place too. Ive free'd it all off, stripped it, removed the wad from the barrel and checked everything over for any signs of cracks and/or bulges and it all looks ok. The brass and gasses flew out of the ejection port, spraying my face in the proccess. Just extremely glad i was wearing eye protection! You were very lucky as it could of been very nasty! Please let us know the make of cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 hi guys, it was a gamebore cartridge. and having thought about it it was a hangfire that was the initial issue. didnt go off when the primer was struck, so waited for a bit then rolled the gun over to pull back the bolt and clear it, before i had chance to touch the bolt it went off, throwing the bolt back in the proccess and spraying me with crud. a freak occurance i suppose, but a little scary to say the least. once again though, i now know through first hand experience why it is so important to wear eye protection, even when "only shooting clays..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Scary. It'd be worth letting Gamebore know if you havent already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 im batting an email off to them today, just out of courtesy to let them know what happened. im not laying blame on anyone, and the only reason i wanted to post it on here is that its not very often you see this kind of thing and i thought it may be worth showing why eye protection is a must. the amount of guys and girls i see shooting without it is astounding, and if nothing else, maybe seeing what can happen might make people think twice about their own shooting habbits with regards to PPE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 A lesson in that if you do get a failure to fire wait forty seconds or so, before opening the gun or moving the bolt to clear the cartridge keeping the gun pointed in a safe direction. You were very lucky even with eye protection none of the metal from the head penetrated your face and neck, after rolling the gun chamber up to cycle by hand. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Let game bore know they will be interested but also learn the lesson if it doesn't go bang leave it pointing down range/safe direction for 30-40s before trying to clear the fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 30-40 is a lot longer than you think when stood in the cage with a queue behind you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) 30-40 is a lot longer than you think when stood in the cage with a queue behind you!My local clay ground members have in the past told people in the cage when this has happened to wait longer to be sure, after they see going to break the gun after around ten seconds . Agreed it does seem a long time so talking to them about did it go click have others done this or this the first of this make etc soon passes the time and people get less grumpy waiting. Always tried firing it in different barrel or gun to see it it will go bang, if not cut up and powder and shot dispersed before binning. Figgy Edited September 8, 2014 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 it was left for a 30 count before i decided to clear it, ive had issues before with dud carts so know to leave them for a bit. just so happened that this time it actually went off when i went to clear it. in hindsight, i wouldnt have rolled it over before trying to clear it, but being a semi auto i always check before clearing to see if the bolt has cycled properly and that a cart hasnt jammed up. its kind of a habit that i shant be repeating. kind of glad that i moved it down to just below chest height before doing it though, as the force from that distance was bad enough. god only knows what it would have been like had it been right by my face... ive got a picture of what was left of the cartridge after i retrieved it from the barrel, i'll post it up when i get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I don't understand, how has the skirt of the metal head blow out if the cartridge was in the breach with the bolt forward and locked? Looks more like the bolt failed to lock up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 thats a fair point, and in all honesty not something i can answer with 100% certainty. i removed the wad from the offending cartridge from about half way down the barrel, i can only fathom that there was enough back pressure behind the wad to force it open. or, as you quite rightly state, it didnt lock up properly after cycling the previous round, causing a light strike on the primer which in turn then caused a hang fire. the wad was pretty well stuck in the barrel, it took some force to knock it out when i removed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 id say that it might be a fault with the gun as when you pulled the bolt open it might have released the firing pin with the cart half way out?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) id say that it might be a fault with the gun as when you pulled the bolt open it might have released the firing pin with the cart half way out?? Think you might have nailed the cause of it going off whilst the bolt is half way open. Figgy Edited September 8, 2014 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 id say that it might be a fault with the gun as when you pulled the bolt open it might have released the firing pin with the cart half way out?? Or, you have been using fruitloop's homeloads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 hi guys, it was a gamebore cartridge. and having thought about it it was a hangfire that was the initial issue. didnt go off when the primer was struck, so waited for a bit then rolled the gun over to pull back the bolt and clear it, before i had chance to touch the bolt it went off, throwing the bolt back in the proccess and spraying me with crud. a freak occurance i suppose, but a little scary to say the least. once again though, i now know through first hand experience why it is so important to wear eye protection, even when "only shooting clays..." it was a gamebore cartridge that blow my mates escort up a month or so ago dont know what shell it was only it was a gamebore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I see what your saying, but it went off before i touched the bolt. Ive been out this evening and ran 3 boxes of hull superfast through it and its functioned perfectly. Ran another couple of the gamebore through, it hung up on every one but locked up perfectly when i ran the bolt to clear it. Very odd indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 You're keen putting more of the same batch of cartridges through it! I think I'd be taking them to my rfd to send back to gamebore just in case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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