fenboy Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Whats , your views on the subject ? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-29123001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) Typical BBC report, "Criminal Gangs". Yes but Gangs of what or whom? It's south of the river so I bet it's not the Krays so it must be the Richardsons. Edited September 9, 2014 by TriBsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Previously perfectly legal pastime made illegal by idiots, which was held in high esteem in the country and club trips out were treated like a day pheasant shooting. Much better for the hare population than shooting, strong hares would escape, providing better genetics and the amount killed a fraction that are killed in hare drives. People from all walks of life would mix at the meetings. Hares given law and dogs doing what they are born for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Previously perfectly legal pastime made illegal by idiots, which was held in high esteem in the country and club trips out were treated like a day pheasant shooting. Much better for the hare population than shooting, strong hares would escape, providing better genetics and the amount killed a fraction that are killed in hare drives. People from all walks of life would mix at the meetings. Hares given law and dogs doing what they are born for. Exactly. A regular and respected feature of the sporting calendar. Read the old reports and it's the local gentry organising the meets, a sharp contrast to what's happening now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Previously perfectly legal pastime made illegal by idiots, which was held in high esteem in the country and club trips out were treated like a day pheasant shooting. Much better for the hare population than shooting, strong hares would escape, providing better genetics and the amount killed a fraction that are killed in hare drives. People from all walks of life would mix at the meetings. Hares given law and dogs doing what they are born for. A very similar veiw to my own , the law has stopped everyone enjoying it apart from te "idiots" that caused it to be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 A very similar veiw to my own , the law has stopped everyone enjoying it apart from te "idiots" that caused it to be banned. The pivotal person was Tony Blair. It's funny that in the BBC page it doesn't actually say that most of the time the hare gets away with little or no effect to it's well being, as running away from preditors is what it been doing since it was born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 The pivotal person was Tony Blair. It's funny that in the BBC page it doesn't actually say that most of the time the hare gets away with little or no effect to it's well being, as running away from preditors is what it been doing since it was born. Fully agree that most of the time the hare should escape but when I was a boy I watched coursing and if a hare escaped the initial pair of dogs, another pair were released until the hare was eventually killed. This sort of abuse is what gave the " Do-gooders" the ammo to get the sport banned. That and the ever present threat of violence......... Properly carried out, there should be no problem with coursing. Or fox hunting for that matter but it was a political move by Blair as hunting was seen as un "upper-class" occupation - (although it's not). We are lucky the Left got booted out or pheasant shooting would have been next. There was no move to ban the "working Man's" sport of fishing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I remember many years ago I used to go hare coursing with my father,not to organised coursing,just him and I on a local farm with permission.He would only take one Greyhound because he thought one to one would be a fair match.It was the most exciting competition I have ever seen.,dog versus hare.Hare usually won,the kill was of no importance what so ever,just the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I have no love for Blair but he tried to get middle ground as basically the guy is a silver spoon socialist. His cronies were not biting though and voted on ignorance and pure prejudice. Hare coursing is not on the up, deer poaching with pit bull cross lurchers is. I mean why get done under the same act when the rewards are so much greater hunting deer instead? Well done the loony left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Fully agree that most of the time the hare should escape but when I was a boy I watched coursing and if a hare escaped the initial pair of dogs, another pair were released until the hare was eventually killed. This sort of abuse is what gave the " Do-gooders" the ammo to get the sport banned. That and the ever present threat of violence......... Properly carried out, there should be no problem with coursing. Or fox hunting for that matter but it was a political move by Blair as hunting was seen as un "upper-class" occupation - (although it's not). We are lucky the Left got booted out or pheasant shooting would have been next. There was no move to ban the "working Man's" sport of fishing.... Not sure where they did that. Law was given and no one could interefere with the course. The hare got away free, thats the way it was. Single handed coursing was also a good fair experience, one dog, one hare. Will never come back. So if shooting was banned by the next labour government, which many are interested in doing, there would be no need to have shotguns, would that mean they will remove the right to bear arms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I have no love for Blair but he tried to get middle ground as basically the guy is a silver spoon socialist. His cronies were not biting though and voted on ignorance and pure prejudice. Hare coursing is not on the up, deer poaching with pit bull cross lurchers is. I mean why get done under the same act when the rewards are so much greater hunting deer instead? Well done the loony left I don't think it's on the up, its just the same people doing what they used to do and police trying to drum up interest at the same time every year after the harvest. It's always happened and always will, even when it was legal people where poaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Not sure where they did that. Law was given and no one could interefere with the course. The hare got away free, thats the way it was. Single handed coursing was also a good fair experience, one dog, one hare. Will never come back. So if shooting was banned by the next labour government, which many are interested in doing, there would be no need to have shotguns, would that mean they will remove the right to bear arms? We do not have that right- its the American constitution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 As has been said an old sport enjoyed by many. unfortunately since it was made illegal many farmers have cleared there land of hares, because they got fed up with the subaru brigade trashing the fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I don't think it's on the up, its just the same people doing what they used to do and police trying to drum up interest at the same time every year after the harvest. It's always happened and always will, even when it was legal people where poaching. Depends were you live, It's rife around Lancashire area...every week my mate ( who is a bobby) tells me about deer bits being found, the same type of people being stopped at silly hours with long dogs...and also people traveling up this way... Two blokes from Sheffield the other week, just said they were out for a drive..long dogs in the car, my mate sent them on there way, but they always return.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I wonder how many of these hare coursing reports are people just walking their dog or a dog chasing a rabbit! The same people that thought the banning hunting was a good thing are the same people reporting it now. they didn't know their **** from their elbow then so why would any one think they do now! Some silly cow accused me of hair coursing when i was out walking my terriers and one was carrying a mixy rabbit she had caught, I did try to explain the law to her and the differences between a rabbit and a hare and the fact that there weren't any hares on the farm any way but she was having none of it so just told her to go F her self! She even stopped at the nearest house to try to get them to call the police but as it was my dad he told her to do the same after trying to tell her that there weren't any hares on the farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharsus Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I have no love for Blair but he tried to get middle ground as basically the guy is a silver spoon socialist. His cronies were not biting though and voted on ignorance and pure prejudice. Hare coursing is not on the up, deer poaching with pit bull cross lurchers is. I mean why get done under the same act when the rewards are so much greater hunting deer instead? Well done the loony left Do not think your right there, some of the lads coursing are matching their dogs for thousands, a lot more than a couple of venison haunches sold in the local. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Do not think your right there, some of the lads coursing are matching their dogs for thousands, a lot more than a couple of venison haunches sold in the local. The operative word their is "some" here we are talking number of incidents. Deer have been being decimated here over the last two years, we have plenty Hares and although its not flat enough for best of five betting and plenty come on poaching rabbits you never get them with hares in the bag. Of course I was raised in a family were running dogs were the way and in the 70s and 80s far greater numbers were coursed IMO, both legally in events like the Waterloo cup and illegally on best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 We do not have that right- its the American constitution We have the right to own a shotgun, it is the police/Feo etc that have to prove you are not suitable/possible psycho. So as long as you have not broken the law anyone can have a shotgun also without any need to prove what you will use it for. Depends were you live, It's rife around Lancashire area...every week my mate ( who is a bobby) tells me about deer bits being found, the same type of people being stopped at silly hours with long dogs...and also people traveling up this way... Two blokes from Sheffield the other week, just said they were out for a drive..long dogs in the car, my mate sent them on there way, but they always return.. Yes but it's not increased just given more focus now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 We have the right to own a shotgun, it is the police/Feo etc that have to prove you are not suitable/possible psycho. So as long as you have not broken the law anyone can have a shotgun also without any need to prove what you will use it for. Yes but it's not increased just given more focus now. I was referring to the bit and I quote "right to bear arms " we have the right to own a sporting shotgun if we pass security conditions and do not pose a danger, the very statement "bear arms" might disqualify an applicant I feel. I have a pet hate about getting the American constitution bill of rights mixed up with English Law, some watch to much TV perhaps?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I was referring to the bit and I quote "right to bear arms " we have the right to own a sporting shotgun if we pass security conditions and do not pose a danger, the very statement "bear arms" might disqualify an applicant I feel. I have a pet hate about getting the American constitution bill of rights mixed up with English Law, some watch to much TV perhaps?. Too busy dreaming about being on the marsh in my spare time if not already on the marsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchen Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Anybody hare coarsing now must want there head looking at the fines are stupid they can take your car of ya and even ban you from driving iv been into all country sports all my life but the best by far was coarsing the hare have shoulder the worst of this stupid ban and the shooting community have dun the hares no favers shoot um all to keep the dogging lads of how many times have I herd that nobody with half a brain would bother now the fines are to much and just not worth it the only way now it to carry a shot gun and use ya lurcher to flush hares it's not your fault you don't have a safe shot as long as you have land to go on there's always away round it same as fox hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistolgrip Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 It's illegal, we can't do it, if you get your collar felt don't moan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 We do not have that right- its the American constitutionNo, read the Bill of Rights 1689 it has never been rescinded has it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 We have had the courses out last week,drove all over 500 acres of fresh drilled fields.Made a right mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 No, read the Bill of Rights 1689 it has never been rescinded has it The bill of rights is a working document and things are rescinded or updated all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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