Terry P Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I cannot verify it but a customer told me that the greylag goose is not going on the agricultural licsense, not sure if that is same as general liscence or not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Yep basc have, as I read it........reported that the greylag will not be put on general licence for agriculture but will for aviation safety, and pigeons will not need to be shooed away before you shoot! em! There are other positives in the report too! Despite the best efforts of our representative organisations it looks like good sense has prevailed? P1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Good news. http://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/shoo-before-you-shoot-requirement-rejected-for-english-general-licences/ Edited September 16, 2014 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I wonder how its possible now to defend a position of agreeing to adding Greylag to the GL (assuming it has not been). Maybe we sent in enough representations against the proposal ? Rather a dent in credibility or some (if its true). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I wonder how its possible now to defend a position of agreeing to adding Greylag to the GL (assuming it has not been). Maybe we sent in enough representations against the proposal ? Rather a dent in credibility or some (if its true). I think, no matter what BASC did, or what changes were introduced, you'd find a way to blame BASC, or find them at fault, or, if their ideas were rejected, you'd find them toothless and pointless. Chip, shoulder ... comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 You can't deny it though, BASC did support Greys going on GL. I think, no matter what BASC did, or what changes were introduced, you'd find a way to blame BASC, or find them at fault, or, if their ideas were rejected, you'd find them toothless and pointless. Chip, shoulder ... comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 That is good news, wonder what changed their minds ? air safety ! does that mean if they poop at you, you can still have at them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Excellent news. So pleased that common sense prevailed, perhaps writing in with different opinions does on occation get listened to. Thank you to everyone who took the time to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I think, no matter what BASC did, or what changes were introduced, you'd find a way to blame BASC, or find them at fault, or, if their ideas were rejected, you'd find them toothless and pointless. Chip, shoulder ... comes to mind. Did I mention BASC - its perhaps not me that has a chip on his shoulder. I am going with the NGO and a good organisation it seems to be. In deciding, Its possible to ascertain all the details exclusions etc etc of the insurance cover provided by all country sports organisations by visiting their websites except for one where you have to ring. So comparison is difficult but NGO seems to cover my needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 This is good news and something a lot of us put a lot of effort into lobbying NE and BASC. We put forward rational arguments that were hard to dispute and it seems at NE listened. Now the ball in our court. If as wildfowlers we do not want the proposal to put greylags onto the GL to return it’s up to us to sensibly manage the feral population. I would never suggest wholesale slaughter but if feral greylags are a problem in your area then if we do not take a few more than we have in the past the issue will return n the future. If your club has a bag limit perhaps they could raise it by a brace or two. If you normally stop when you have shot a couple them take an extra bird or two. Otherwise the future for the feral greylag populations will once again look bleak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) This is good news and something a lot of us put a lot of effort into lobbying NE and BASC. We put forward rational arguments that were hard to dispute and it seems at NE listened. [/size] [/size] Now the ball in our court. If as wildfowlers we do not want the proposal to put greylags onto the GL to return it’s up to us to sensibly manage the feral population. I would never suggest wholesale slaughter but if feral greylags are a problem in your area then if we do not take a few more than we have in the past the issue will return n the future. If your club has a bag limit perhaps they could raise it by a brace or two. If you normally stop when you have shot a couple them take an extra bird or two. Otherwise the future for the feral greylag populations will once again look bleak.[/size] Ha, Ha BASC and you thought us pesky fools! I couldn't agree more with your statement here anser, this will come again of that I have not the slightest doubt we need to collate good evidence and show willing in season or face the consequences at another time. We must still protect the roosts but increase the bag were required Edited September 16, 2014 by kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 What we really need to do is to elect more purist wildfowlers to BASC Council. I make no apologies for saying that wildfowlers need to reassert their stranglehold on BASC Council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I dont think strangleholds benefit anyone, especially when you are cultivating the widest possible appeal - perhaps just needs less professional arrogance, more concerned shooters and a 'do as you would be done by' attitude. This suggestion is aimed at all such organisations and no one in particular. Just in case anyone has 'chips' with everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IEH Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 - perhaps just needs less professional arrogance, more concerned shooters and a 'do as you would be done by' attitude. This suggestion is aimed at all such organisations and no one in particular. Just in case anyone has 'chips' with everything. and perhaps a willingness to consult with those who pay you to represent their interests before formulating policy/responses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 This is good news and something a lot of us put a lot of effort into lobbying NE and BASC. We put forward rational arguments that were hard to dispute and it seems at NE listened. [/size] [/size] Now the ball in our court. If as wildfowlers we do not want the proposal to put greylags onto the GL to return it’s up to us to sensibly manage the feral population. I would never suggest wholesale slaughter but if feral greylags are a problem in your area then if we do not take a few more than we have in the past the issue will return n the future. If your club has a bag limit perhaps they could raise it by a brace or two. If you normally stop when you have shot a couple them take an extra bird or two. Otherwise the future for the feral greylag populations will once again look bleak.[/size] I totally agree we need to take a few more we should heed this warning and reduce their numbers in problem areas . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 and perhaps a willingness to consult with those who pay you to represent their interests before formulating policy/responses? Agreed !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riptide Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Excellent news Indeed !!!!! So many thanks to all of you on hear who bothered to talk to BASC and more importantly to NE ,The Greylag Geese are left on the Special Licence system except for air strips and air safety. Which if you know much about it they have already been covered for any way ,,So even though a few groups did decide to go along with NEs original thoughts for a very broad range of reasons , NE due to their wisdom and the inputs from a lot of us have left them were they should be on the SL !!!! Common sense prevails at last !Do now please take time to go to the Natural England web site to see further information http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Riptide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Let me tell you I have heard real blatant lies coming from senior BASC persons over this, not impressed! However we need to move on and impress on BASC and other orgs the need for consultation on such matters and send nobody to the wolves. I have heard only 7000 wildfowlers mentioned so many times, how many shoot driven grouse in BASC ranks? How many want to own a handgun for humane dispatch? How many are fully employed keepers the list gets wider and wider and then you end up with no members!! The whole idea of such organisations is we all stand together like the musketeers, if it was any different our enemies will just pick us off bit by bit. If all the minorities left BASC the majority groups might have some serious issues to deal with a much weakened front line and no reserves. Think of BASC as NATO not the failed league of nations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Yeah, its hard to find but no spoiling of mallard eggs either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) I emailed Slimbridge last week and asked how many mallard and greylag they had killed (seeing as I had been told that they had obtained special licences last year) We haven't killed any they replied, but we have taken/pricked 21 greylag clutches and 3 Canada clutches .............. Edited September 19, 2014 by nic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I emailed Slimbridge last week and asked how many mallard and greylag they had killed under the GL (seeing as I had been told that they had obtained special licences last year) We haven't killed any they replied, but we have taken/pricked 21 greylag clutches and 3 Canada clutches .............. Just a correction that should be special licence not GL, don't want to give the idea that it actually went through do we now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Just a correction that should be special licence not GL, don't want to give the idea that it actually went through do we now changed :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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