islandgun Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I am having doubts about these tory defectors, are they to be trusted or are they just enhancing their career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Yes. They are the doctors and nurses treating the alcohol and drug depended chavs, British born and bred... I agree that the drunks and junkies take up a huge amount of A & E resources, particularly late at night with their self inflicted requirements. They are not ill as such, just stupid and self indulgent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I am having doubts about these tory defectors, are they to be trusted or are they just enhancing their career ever thought they may be strange to politics and actually have principles.just a thought. KW . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 ever thought they may be strange to politics and actually have principles.just a thought. KW . alright they have principles, why did they leave it so long, Ukips been going a while now politics and principles in the same sentence ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Yes. They are the doctors and nurses treating the alcohol and drug depended chavs, British born and bred... actually the biggest burdens to the health service are - 1)mental health issues (you got any?) 2) circulatory probs (you will have if you dont stop venting) 3) cancers and tumors (who does not know of someone suffering from this dreadful disease.) so dont see why and where all our resources are being taken up dealing with our own less fortunate' s than you? but hey ho that will be all Greek to you. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 alright they have principles, why did they leave it so long, Ukips been going a while now politics and principles in the same sentence ! Because picking the wrong time and losing would have achieved nothing but a stretch of unemployment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Because picking the wrong time and losing would have achieved nothing but a stretch of unemployment. OK, thanks so thats principles with a small p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 OK, thanks so thats principles with a small p No it's a winning strategy. What's the point of having principles if you're not in a position to exert them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) No it's a winning strategy. What's the point of having principles if you're not in a position to exert them. I dont know ! ........ do you have to exert them ? cant you just have them and be dammed Edited November 23, 2014 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The last man to enter Parliament with principles was Guy Fawkes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The last man to enter Parliament with principles was Guy Fawkes. aint that the truth KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 This made me laugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 might make you laugh but I laugh a lot harder at the likes of you who wants the same failed corrupt system. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTEMUP Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 might make you laugh but I laugh a lot harder at the likes of you who wants the same failed corrupt system. KW Plus One Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 But surely the people in the system haven't changed, just changed parties so how is that going to change the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 But surely the people in the system haven't changed, just changed parties so how is that going to change the system. Because their policies are different? Aren't most of the defectors to UKIP from other parties doing it because of UKIP's policies on the EU and immigration? Whether it will change the system remains to be seen, but leaving the EU is a good place to start in my opinion; an option we wont get with other mainstream parties. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 I am having doubts about these tory defectors, are they to be trusted or are they just enhancing their career you couldn't trust 1 could you The last man to enter Parliament with principles was Guy Fawkes. never a truer word spoken Whatever you think of UKIP, they are certainly getting people interested in politics/voting/discussion/ which can only be a good thing, and making the main parties think about what the people want, not what they want that is the plus side yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Because their policies are different? Aren't most of the defectors to UKIP from other parties doing it because of UKIP's policies on the EU and immigration? Whether it will change the system remains to be seen, but leaving the EU is a good place to start in my opinion; an option we wont get with other mainstream parties. Just a thought. agreed, but my problem is that this revelation seems to be happening just before they get kicked out, or am I wrong ?..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Does anyone care why they defected? Why should they be subjected to a harsher scrutiny than those who stay with the major parties, but contribute nothing. Do we put non-defectors under the same microscope? If not, why not? They are presiding over the UK going down the pan. I fail to see why some people are having a pop at these UKIP MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Gordon, I agree with that point in some respects, you could argue that by defecting they are demonstrating their principles. Or you could look at it as they're happy to say what is needed in order to save their skin which is what Islandgun is highlighting as a possibility too. I do agree with you that all MP's should be subject to the same level of scrutiny regardless of the party, but those that have been in situ for a period of time as an MP should also expect an additional level of scrutiny of their past actions apropos what they are now advocating. In the case of the two UKIP MP's both have openly been anti EU advocates so no change of spots in that respect. I suppose the other thing is that people are allowed to change opinion based on learned experience and wisdom, so what someone said in the past may be entirely different from what they believe now, but we should always balance that against those who might say something different just to win support. Alex Salmond springs to mind in the latter case, what he says and what he believes are entirely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Does anyone care why they defected? Why should they be subjected to a harsher scrutiny than those who stay with the major parties, but contribute nothing. Do we put non-defectors under the same microscope? If not, why not? They are presiding over the UK going down the pan. I fail to see why some people are having a pop at these UKIP MPs. Exactly. It's like friends, family, colleagues etc who now say they are going to vote for UKIP. They've seen the light and it should be welcomed. People take time to change and you've got to accept it and be glad of the late comers. Many politicians are becoming aware that they also have been betrayed by their leaders and their principles and beliefs no longer fit in their existing parties. Edited November 24, 2014 by TriBsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Any one of the MPs in the House of Commons would turn coat if they thought they would lose their seat . Just so that they could get their noses in the trough again . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Like our socialist friend Balls who joined the Tories at university and started a drinking club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Another string to Ed Ball's bow. I thought his only talent was crashing into a parked car, realising he had hit it, thinking (rather stupidly) that there would be no damage - so no need to check) and driving off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Like our socialist friend Balls who joined the Tories at university and started a drinking club! He represents that trend, all too common now, of people deciding to enter politics as a career with no real experience of life. Not driven by a desire to serve, more like a hunger for power and control. I would rather see people enter politics later in life, propelled to do so by their peers rather than their own ego's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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