poorpeet Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Not seen Kent mentioned in the other 'Visit' thread. So, just be aware the firearms officer turned up here yesterday evening. He say's that they will be doing a lot of these visits and asked me to tell my mates as they weren't looking to stitch people up but would have to react to obvious problems. I got a mild ####ing because one of mine was out of the cabinet. (in bits with the barrels hidden away) as I was re-waxing the wood work, giving the action a really thorough cleaning and was then going to strip out the ejectors to clean them as I've not done it for over a year. Bit's not being worked on 'at that moment' should be kept locked away. You have been warned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I think I would have probably said they were being worked on at that moment then.Or, no thanks it's not a suitable time, bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorpeet Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I did but I had stopped to feed the dog so I wasn't working on them 'at that moment'. No real issue, he was just making a point. Wasn't a bad time so had no issue letting him in. If I had been on my way out or something he'd have to have come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Did he give a reason for the visit ? It's supposed to be 'intelligence-led', they are NOT supposed to randomly knock on SGC/FAC holders doors, and ask to do an inspection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorpeet Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Random, unannounced visit. Hence my warning. How you deal with it when (if) they knock on the door is up to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Not seen Kent mentioned in the other 'Visit' thread. So, just be aware the firearms officer turned up here yesterday evening. He say's that they will be doing a lot of these visits and asked me to tell my mates as they weren't looking to stitch people up but would have to react to obvious problems. I got a mild ####ing because one of mine was out of the cabinet. (in bits with the barrels hidden away) as I was re-waxing the wood work, giving the action a really thorough cleaning and was then going to strip out the ejectors to clean them as I've not done it for over a year. Bit's not being worked on 'at that moment' should be kept locked away. You have been warned I wonder if this is becoming a numbers game? If as we are regularly told all of the Police forces Firearms Licencing Departments are under pressure and have limited numbers of staff, how can they spare the time for these extra visits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Couldn't be that they only claim to be under resourced as an excuse to put licence fees up....could it? Seems strange the police can find time to do this........but couldn't find time over the last umpteen years to investigate organised child abuse apparently by mainly Pakistani gangs in our major cities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Couldn't be that they only claim to be under resourced as an excuse to put licence fees up....could it? Seems strange the police can find time to do this........but couldn't find time over the last umpteen years to investigate organised child abuse apparently by mainly Pakistani gangs in our major cities? It's probably because a load of civilian firearms licensing officers don't normally investigate child abuse cases. They deal with firearms licensing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) It's probably because a load of civilian firearms licensing officers don't normally investigate child abuse cases. They deal with firearms licensing. The police have responsibility for firearms licensing no matter who they employ to do it! Edited November 20, 2014 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Can't see the problem with un announced visit's if all is locked away as it should be and you have nowt to worry about just my opinion Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Do they check ammunition as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Not seen Kent mentioned in the other 'Visit' thread. So, just be aware the firearms officer turned up here yesterday evening. He say's that they will be doing a lot of these visits and asked me to tell my mates as they weren't looking to stitch people up but would have to react to obvious problems. I got a mild ####ing because one of mine was out of the cabinet. (in bits with the barrels hidden away) as I was re-waxing the wood work, giving the action a really thorough cleaning and was then going to strip out the ejectors to clean them as I've not done it for over a year. Bit's not being worked on 'at that moment' should be kept locked away. You have been warned let David BASC know on this forum so he can log it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I have just sent a message to David regarding this as he has asked to be kept informed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Can't see the problem with un announced visit's if all is locked away as it should be and you have nowt to worry about just my opinion Colin After reading all previous threads this has been my thoughts all the way along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Logged, thanks ever so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 This should not be happening. Didn't Kent get the memo from ACPO that this was only supposed to be intelligence led? If they didn't have any concerns with you as a certificate holder I wonder if you can put in a complaint if you so wish. This sort of behaviour should not be tolerated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Part of the problem, is that although the revised Home Office guidance is perfectly clear, unannounced visits should only be conducted based on specific intelligence, the letter from ACPO managed to miss the 'specific intelligence' bit out, that's what I was getting vexed about on another thread last week. Consequently some authorities seem to have got it into their heads that they should be conducting random visits, that's not the case, not least of all because its a waste of resources. So if they come calling unannounced, be polite and ask what the specific intelligence is that has led them to your door. If its not convenient, politely ask them to come back later. Yes, please let us know if this is happening in your area, we have a couple of constabularies that we are already talking to about this, and we need evidence if others are doing the same. David PS Kent are on the list for a call tomorrow.... Edited November 20, 2014 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Can't see the problem with un announced visit's if all is locked away as it should be and you have nowt to worry about just my opinion Colin The thing that I don't like about uninvited visits is the erosion of civil liberties. All responsible gun owners ,including myself will have their guns locked up at all times . What will be the next reason for uninvited visits ? To see if your chain saw is locked up ,or your carving set is in the proper draw . If they knock on my door without good reason then they will be turned away . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadbreakfast Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 They don't have to be locked up whilst I'm home... It's a pointless exersize unless they gain entry when I'm not at home to check there in the cabinet. Also are they going to search our house and car to make sure we have locked our ammo away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 On the other thread titled visit there seems to be a certificate holder who was found not to be storing his guns in accordance with the rules.so how difficult does that make it for the organisations to argue these visits are not warranted. Bit of an own goal wouldn't you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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