NE SALMON NETS (I'm fizzing)

[BIG 5]

Just heard from a friend today that the drift nets off the NE English coast slaughtered 60,000 Salmon and Sea Trout this summer. Anglers have had a bad season last year and are returning nearly everything back to the river. What is this all about??? Most of those Salmon are bound for Scottish rivers. For every Salmon caught in Scotland its worth over £3000 to the economy. ie fees, hotels etc. It boils my urine.

[Scully]

I have a mate who is a keen salmon/seatrout angler, an due is always complaining about having to return catches, but I know nothing about the incidences in your post above.

How do you mean slaughtered? Do you mean they were caught inadvertently by drift nets and then dumped over the side? I genuinely would like to know the ins and outs of this so I can explain it all to him tomorrow. Cheers.

[THE MEK]

You can take all the licenses away and you'd still complain.take a look at the amount of seals there is , that's not helping.and they are'nt slaughtered

[kdubya]

be all over in 2022 anyway as I believe the phasing out is finished then, used to see lots and lots of salmon netters out whilst I was fishing but can honestly say have never seen them my way (think its sector 4) for a long long time

 

 

KW

Edited January 15, 2015 by kdubya

[BIG 5]

You can take all the licenses away and you'd still complain.take a look at the amount of seals there is , that's not helping.and they are'nt slaughtered

Slaughtered means KILLED!!! I agree the seals are another problem and there would be an outcry if there was a seal bashing campaign. The nets days are numbered but the sooner the better.

[Scully]

I know what slaughtered means, but are these fish entering the food chain or simply wasted?

[kdubya]

Slaughtered means KILLED!!! I agree the seals are another problem and there would be an outcry if there was a seal bashing campaign. The nets days are numbered but the sooner the better.

are you talking legal or illegal if legal well that's their living while it lasts, so whats with the rhetoric and angst? and by the way these fish would not all have gone to Scottish rivers.

 

KW

[THE MEK]

They are entering the food chain. Caught by fishermen who are licensed to fish with drift nets.

I think there is only 18 licenses left on the N.E. Coast now,fishing under strict regulations

[ack-ack]

I know what slaughtered means, but are these fish entering the food chain or simply wasted?

What i was thinking

[daystate 177]

That's 59998 than I caught this season

[THE MEK]

There used to be 68 licenses back in the early nineties a large majority where removed in a buyout scheme organised by the North Atlantic Salmon Trust.

We where blamed then for the decline in numbers.

Fast forward 20 year 18 licence holders fishing 600yards of net with a limit on days and hours you can fish,and the numbers are still declining .

I think you need to look somewhere else to vent your anger.

As already stated most fish caught where bound for the rivers wear,Tyne, coquet and so on, not Scotland .

And for the record this fishery is conducted within 5 mile of the coast,by boats around 30ft long by two men. Not factory ships hoovering everything up.

[Bazooka Joe]

http://www.salmon-trout.org/c/mixed-stocks-coastal-nets/

 

Just the N/E Coast to blame then...

[39TDS]

There used to be 68 licenses back in the early nineties a large majority where removed in a buyout scheme organised by the North Atlantic Salmon Trust.

We where blamed then for the decline in numbers.

Fast forward 20 year 18 licence holders fishing 600yards of net with a limit on days and hours you can fish,and the numbers are still declining .

I think you need to look somewhere else to vent your anger.

As already stated most fish caught where bound for the rivers wear,Tyne, coquet and so on, not Scotland .

And for the record this fishery is conducted within 5 mile of the coast,by boats around 30ft long by two men. Not factory ships hoovering everything up.

Did the netters catch 60,000 fish then?

[kernel gadaffi]

On top of the lack of fish, do you know there are now only 6 bailiffs to cover from the Tweed to the Humber, in 1996, there was 22, the trout fishermen are going to fare no better, from this year, only triploid salmonids can be stocked into the rivers and lakes and it'll cost to stock them, the EA are stocking coarse fish into anywhere they can for free and these aren't triploids, they're even putting alien fish into riverss which have never held this breed of fish before and this goes against their stocking policy of, "no alien fish to be stocked in waters which have not held such fish before", so they're contradicting their own rules, what a set of clowns, the coarse fish are being sourced from Nottinghamshire.

I could go on and on as I have plenty of information at my disposal, but I won't, I will however, send anyone as much as I can if they furnish me with an e-mail address, I am the secretary of the recently form Wear Anglers Association and we have lots of data, which is going to be used and published.

 

Alan.

[clam6364]

Funny how years ago there was hundreds of nets, drift,poke,stake, haaf,in the Solway firth and still a good fishing in the rivers of both salmon and sea trout.Now there very poor , big seal population now in the solway as there natural predator , us,can only look at them now.Catch and release in rivers,hook a salmon with a big treble hook ,fight it to near death ,drag it up a gravel banking, and try and remove treble hook , quick photo then back into river, to fight another day ! Think not, mortality rate must be high , So don't blame people who for generations have made a living catching fish, it's not in there interest to catch them all,

[fenboy]

I think it truly shocking that licenced fishermen carrying out old traditions while trying to make a living from the sea have the audacity to catch " your salmon "

[Scully]

Thanks all, that is very interesting. Everydays a school day.

[Vince Green]

Different story and only peripheral to the subject of the thread. In northern Spain a couple of years ago we went into the fish market down by the harbour near where we were staying. There were mountains of "baby salmon" being sold. About 6-8" long and perfectly recognisable as salmon, the jaw etc.

 

The number that must be caught each year will far exceed 60,000 and that was just one harbour. I don't know if it is legal to catch them, a person we were with thought it wasn't but he also said a lot of other fish there looked dodgy in terms of size.

[THE MEK]

Definitely not legal,but that's the spaniards for you.never took any notice of rules and regulations to do with fishing

[islandgun]

Funny how years ago there was hundreds of nets, drift,poke,stake, haaf,in the Solway firth and still a good fishing in the rivers of both salmon and sea trout.Now there very poor , big seal population now in the solway as there natural predator , us,can only look at them now.Catch and release in rivers,hook a salmon with a big treble hook ,fight it to near death ,drag it up a gravel banking, and try and remove treble hook , quick photo then back into river, to fight another day ! Think not, mortality rate must be high , So don't blame people who for generations have made a living catching fish, it's not in there interest to catch them all,

 

 

 

 

 

We have a good size population of Atlantic grey Seals here, whilst some rivers further north have large populations of harbour seals where the river joins the sea, Fish stocks have drastically reduced in the last fifty years with several species no longer available ( eg haddock from commercial fishing) I have noticed a lot of fish mostly pollack carrying scars whether this is from accidents as young or from predators as adults or even healed scars from anglers feathers, who knows, one view is that the seal population fluctuates with available food and have for a very long time (although seal control has been practised in the past,) others state that a single grey can consume 5 tons of fish a year which when multiplied would have a significant effect on local fish populations,

As for Salmon they are a wild fish spending most of its life in the high seas so therefore belongs to no one, but its protection is important to all, including a sustainable commercial fishery, anglers and seals

[billytheghillie]

On top of the lack of fish, do you know there are now only 6 bailiffs to cover from the Tweed to the Humber, in 1996, there was 22, the trout fishermen are going to fare no better, from this year, only triploid salmonids can be stocked into the rivers and lakes and it'll cost to stock them, the EA are stocking coarse fish into anywhere they can for free and these aren't triploids, they're even putting alien fish into riverss which have never held this breed of fish before and this goes against their stocking policy of, "no alien fish to be stocked in waters which have not held such fish before", so they're contradicting their own rules, what a set of clowns, the coarse fish are being sourced from Nottinghamshire.

I could go on and on as I have plenty of information at my disposal, but I won't, I will however, send anyone as much as I can if they furnish me with an e-mail address, I am the secretary of the recently form Wear Anglers Association and we have lots of data, which is going to be used and published.

 

Alan.

 

I dont believe there is only 6 bailiffs, there is 5 full time ones on the Tweed alone.