johnnytheboy Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 We updated this just because! Cartridge Velocity Test Light Game Cartridges 1430fps Cheddite Free Shots 30g 1378fps Rio Game 30g 1300fps Gamebore Velocity 29g 1289fps Hull Special Pigeon 29g 1285fps Mirage T2 Game 28g 1224fps Mirage Lite Game 30.5g Medium Game Cartridges 32g 1437fps Clever/Mirage Xpert Game 1409fps Rio Royal 1404fps Fiocchi Golden Pheasant 1345fps Cheddite CH6 1336fps RC SIPE 1330fps Gamebore Black Gold 1328fps Proper SIPE 1309fps Viri/FOB Super 1306fps Rottweil Tiger 1297fps Proper Hi-Speed 1288fps Gamebore Pure Gold 1287fps Lyalvale Supreme Game 1284fps Eley VIP 1277fps Hull High Pheasant Extreme 1277fps Baikal Record 1244fps Gamebore Clear Pigeon 1229fps Hull Special Pigeon 1225fps Hull High Pheasant 33-34g Game Cartridges 1302fps RC Disperante 33g 1291fps Gamebore Pigeon Extreme 34g 1271fps Cheddite Free Shots 33g 1242fps Mirage Standard Game 34g 35-36g Game Cartridges 1387fps Mirage HV 36g 1349fps Rottweil Waidmannshiel 36g 1345fps RC JK6 T3 35g 1343fps Rottweil Special 36g 1327fps RC JK6 T5 36g 1321fps RC4 36g 1309fps Cheddite Percorso 36g 1287fps Rottweil Super Game 36g 1235fps Gamebore Buffalo 36g 1221fps Eley Alphamax+ 36g 1167fps Hull Ultramax 36g 38g Game Cartridges 1293fps Fiocchi JK6 38g 1264fps RC Millennium 38g Semi Magnum 2.75" Cartridges 1406fps Mirage Royal Winter 40g 1353fps Cheddite T5 42g 1351fps RC 40 1349fps Rio Mini Magnum 40g 1336fps RC Camo 42g 1299fps Victory Mini Magnum 40g 1288fps Fiocchi Semi Magnum 42g 1207fps Lyalvale Super Game 42g 1180fps Eley Alphamax+ 42g 1171fps Gamebore Buffalo 42g 1146fps Hull Ultramax 42g Magnum 3" Cartridges 1322fps Cheddite Magnum 50g 1288fps RC 50 1252fps Mirage Magnum 50g 1238fps Hull Solway 50g 1226fps Fiocchi 50g 1226fps Eley Alphamax+ 46g 1220fps Winchester Super Speed 50g 1184fps Gamebore Mammoth 50g 1181fps Lyalvale Max Game 50g Super Magnum 3.5" 1321fps Gamebore Mammoth 62g 1245fps Mirage Super Magnum 66g 1195fps Fiocchi Ultra Magnum 63g Non Toxic Game 2.75" 1423fps Winchester Blindside 1 1/4oz 1413fps RC Atomic Steel 32g 1399fps Mirage Steel 32g 1396fps Gamebore Super Steel 32g 1382fps Rio Blue Steel 32g 1372fps Bornaghi Steel 36g 1290fps Cheddite Steel 32g 1282fps Cheddite Steel 34g 1262fps Hull Steel Game Extra 32g 1245fps Eley VIP Bismuth 32g 1152fps Gamebore Tung Mtrx 32g Steel Game 3" 1406fps RC Atomic Steel 36g 1373fps Eley Lightening Steel 36g 1336fps Gamebore Mam Steel 36g 1269fps Mirage Steel 36g 1226fps Hull Solway Mag Steel 34g 1197fps Rem Sportsman Steel 36g Non Toxic Super Magnum 3.5" 1428fps Gamebore Mam Steel 42g 1353fps Mirage Steel 39g 1212fps Gamebore Tung Mtrx 60g Clay Cartridges 21g 1289fps Mirage Supertarget 21g Clay Cartridge 24g 1470fps Cheddite Mach 3 HV 24g 1402fps Hull Sovereign 24g 1397fps Hull Pro One 24g 1376fps Mirage Supertarget 24g 1374fps Cheddite Universal Trap 24g 1363fps Mirage T2 Competition 24g 1359fps Cheddite Trap Oro 24g 1358fps Cheddite Drago Skeet T3 24g 1353fps Mirage BOL D'or 24g 1351fps Hull Inter Comp HV 24g 1340fps RC4 Excellence Trap 24g 1338fps Gamebore Platinum Trap 24g 1326fps Cheddite Smart Strike 24g 1320fps Mirage Grand Italia 24g 1270fps Gamebore EVO Competition 24g 1260fps Mirage Pro Sport Extra 24g Clay Cartridge 27-28g 1383fps Kent Velocity 28g 1379fps Hull Sovereign Parcours 28g 1361fps Cheddite Mach 3 Free Shots 28g 1347fps Cheddite Smart Strike 28g 1342fps Cheddite Mach 3 28g 1328fps Mirage Steel Competition 28g 1328fps Hull Super Fast 27g 1323fps Hull Pro One 28g 1320fps Rio Target 28g 1318fps Lyalvale Super Comp 28g 1317fps Mirage RWS Evolution 28g 1296fps Mirage Elica 28g 1295fps Gamebore Platinum Trap 28g 1282fps Lyalvale Power Blue 28g 1281fps Gamebore Black Gold 28g 1274fps Hull Pro Sport 28g 1268fps Lyalvale English Sporter 28g 1259fps Mirage T2 Competition 28g 1254fps Mirage Supertarget 28g 1247fps Mirage BOL D'or 28g 1242fps Mirage Grand Italia 28g 1219fps Mirage T2 Competition DTL 28g 1214fps Hull Comp X 28g 1194fps Mirage Pro Sport Extra 28g 20g 1425fps Cheddite T1 24g Fibre Wad 1339fps Lyalvale Special Pigeon 21g 1322fps Fiocchi 30g 1280fps Fiocchi 3" Magnum 1273fps RC Semi Magnum 32g 1260fps RC JK6 T3 26g 1244fps Viri/FOB 30g 1224fps Gamebore Pure Gold 28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Touché my friend. PS What distance to muzzel? 1m ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Yes 1m! Hoping to finish a few brands soon, I think I can't be far off with hull, next plan is to finish, another four brands this year then leave the rest until next year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Interesting stuff especially the 20 gauge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Good to see your still at it some very interesting reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Yes 1m! Hoping to finish a few brands soon, I think I can't be far off with hull, next plan is to finish, another four brands this year then leave the rest until next year! It would be interesting to see Hull Imperial game tested before moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Keep them coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I see my choice of cartridge Cheddite Mach 3 FSH is up there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 To me the velocity is nothing to consern me, I am only interested in a nice smooth recoil, rather than a brused shoulder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Cheddites are superb cartridges, shot allot of duck with Percorso last year and pigeons with 30g free shots! I got on really well with the trap ORO as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Chris Ash, we shot nearly all the 3" ones on the same day, one thing we noticed I'd the Gambore kick like **** even compared with the fast shells, where as the hull solways were quite sweet for a 3" shell, I'm with you on this speed isn't everything, pattern and shot string is very important as well, and it needs to be shootable, not a head banger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) I commend you sir for testing a gamebore tungsten matrix 60g! Don't think I could bring myself to do it! Edited February 7, 2015 by Ttfjlc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Johnny, Can you elaborate on the gun or test barrel you are using? Specifically i am curious about the specific barrel bore diameter. Also, are those fiber or plastic wads? Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Benelli 1/4 choke, all plastic wad except for one 20g All figures are an average of three shots, even more eye watering when doing the tungsten matrix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Now that is Very Good information. Thank you. Well Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Excellent information , shame you were not nearby you could test some of my steel homeloads ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliver90owner Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) Yep, I'm with Chris Ash on this one. Whatever the velocity, if the pattern is carp they are no good. I just luuv these measurements to 4 significant figures - as though a change of 1 1/2 m/s makes any difference at all, practically. Without any range, standard deviation, etc, those last digits are totally meaningless. Just done to try to impress some readers? There is more than one way to achieve the desired muzzle velocity. Fast burn powder, high breech pressure and potentially deformed shot may not be the best way to go. Let's face it, even a different barrel length will change the velocity by more than the 'claimed' precision of these results. I'm all for comparisons, but velocity, alone, is not really the complete answer to any particular real world question. A 5m reduction at the maximum range is likely, in most scenarios, to more than compensate for the highest muzzle velocies and a good pattern at those ranges will far exceed any small velocity differences. Edited February 8, 2015 by oliver90owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Yep, I'm with Chris Ash on this one. Whatever the velocity, if the pattern is carp they are no good. I just luuv these measurements to 4 significant figures - as though a change of 1 1/2 m/s makes any difference at all, practically. Without any range, standard deviation, etc, those last digits are totally meaningless. Just done to try to impress some readers? There is more than one way to achieve the desired muzzle velocity. Fast burn powder, high breech pressure and potentially deformed shot may not be the best way to go. Let's face it, even a different barrel length will change the velocity by more than the 'claimed' precision of these results. I'm all for comparisons, but velocity, alone, is not really the complete answer to any particular real world question. A 5m reduction at the maximum range is likely, in most scenarios, to more than compensate for the highest muzzle velocies and a good pattern at those ranges will far exceed any small velocity differences. Stop being a miserable **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Yep, I'm with Chris Ash on this one. Whatever the velocity, if the pattern is carp they are no good. I just luuv these measurements to 4 significant figures - as though a change of 1 1/2 m/s makes any difference at all, practically. Without any range, standard deviation, etc, those last digits are totally meaningless. Just done to try to impress some readers? There is more than one way to achieve the desired muzzle velocity. Fast burn powder, high breech pressure and potentially deformed shot may not be the best way to go. Let's face it, even a different barrel length will change the velocity by more than the 'claimed' precision of these results. I'm all for comparisons, but velocity, alone, is not really the complete answer to any particular real world question. A 5m reduction at the maximum range is likely, in most scenarios, to more than compensate for the highest muzzle velocies and a good pattern at those ranges will far exceed any small velocity differences. I cannot see where anyone has said velocity is everything , though it certainly plays a part with steel loads As for trying to impress the readers (which is us forum memebers) why should Johnny not give the exact result , if you go to all that trouble why do things by halfs ? It is great that someone has gone to all that trouble and there is no need for you to poo poo his effort ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) Oliver your taking this to seriously, it has all been done just for referance, if anyone did ever want to test a gun/choke combo they have the fundamental information to start their tests. One thing your wrong about though is pattern, the shot in the air is a three dimensional body, printing it onto a flat piece of paper although nice todo is has no real meaning. I home load steel and one thing I found out is that the proof is in using the cartridge. You can have cartridges that are not great on paper but are consistently effective on birds. So the reality is if it works for you then who cares! Edited February 8, 2015 by johnnytheboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Good information and credit to you for doing it which has cost a lot of time and some money. Fibre carts in the spring/summer please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Benelli 1/4 choke, all plastic wad except for one 20g All figures are an average of three shots, even more eye watering when doing the tungsten matrix 3 TM shells? A quick check on just cartridges, £185 for 25 shells = £7.40 a pop! I would of needed a box of tissues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Rbrowning I can't get the fibre wads to chrono, it turns out the muzzle blast (smoke) obscures the chrono! A little annoying considering RC ORO and Blue Lightenings are my main cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Rbrowning I can't get the fibre wads to chrono, it turns out the muzzle blast (smoke) obscures the chrono! A little annoying considering RC ORO and Blue Lightenings are my main cartridges Funnily enough my F1 chrono sometimes struggles with fibre wads. Maybe try shooting a little further away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 That's what I was thinking but then the issue of one load of cartridges being shot at one distance versus another full range of cartridges at a different distance would confuse the hell out of things. The only thing I thought of was setting up two F1 chronos, one at 1m another at say 10ft and seeing if there was a consistent speed difference between the two, then adjusting the full test to the 10ft distance so I can get the fibre only cartridges in there as well! Confusing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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