PhilR Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 One of the guns got into the beaters trailer because he was a walking gun on the next drive and nobody said anything about his gun being closed. He got out first, opened his gun and there were 2 cartridges in the chambers. Inexperienced? He had won Olympic gold medals for shooting clays!!!! Those clayshooters guns do not always have auto safety!!!!!!!!!!! Assuming the person was a Brit that narrows it down somewhat, there's only been three clay shooting Olympic gold medallists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldie Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Just a quick up date. Still can't believe my stupidity!!! Hand is almost better, just a few red marks on my palm but will be ok in a couple of days. Went back out today to have a few shots, was hard to pull that trigger the first time but soon got back to normal. Went to same place to look for the other bits of the mag but couldn't find the spring or the metal strip. I will never ever put my hand anywhere near a mag when I'm pulling that trigger. When I think of what could have happened. I am now wondering if things could have been different (either way) if it had been a steel mag? Looked at the last shell casing I fired and the bottom was blown out, just a neat hole. Only one bullet was stuck in the barrel 2 ins from the muzzle end and just slid out when I put the rod on it, and just a little damage to the plastic tip. Have I learnt anything, well I would like to say respect, but seeing that I already had lots of respect for all guns, I can only say MORE RESPECT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorvale55 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I was using Hornady 17grn and had so many problems with misfires, split cases etc that I changed to CCI 17 grn hollow point, not a single problem since. A quick tip I have posted before.....I bought a .17 cleaning rod with a FEMALE end, if a misfire occurs you can push the rod down the barrel and the female end goes over the bullet tip which stops it from being tilted, a smart tap on the end of the rod and the bullet is out into the action. Since using CCI HP I have never had to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 So some people put there guns away with out cleaning what a disgrace and what are the guns like. I all ways clean gun when I get back shotgun/223 so there is never any chance of a round in it.if it is after midnight when I come in will put oily mop up barrel of 223 then next morning clean it properly. with 22lr take mag out then clear chamber extract bolt and the round drops in hand point in safe place and dry fire I know then that all is clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Never had concerns over myown safety but last season I managed to try to get back on to the trailer with gun (broken) loaded. It was pointed out to me by a couple of people to my embarrassment. Now whilst this seems a very stupid thing to do in mitigation I was in some pain at that precise moment - I had slipped with gun broken about 2/3 minutes earlier and trapped a big bit of my forefinger between the sharp edge of the fore end and the action body. Within a couple of minutes a large blood blister, an inch by three eighths, had developed. This might not seem much but the pain was excruciating plus, until I realised I hadn't broken the skin, it felt as if I was bleeding and with one drive to go there were lots of thoughts about ruining the end of a nice day etc etc. The outcome of course is that my safety levels are now heightened. I'm sure we all have moments of indecision and I've noticed a couple of times at the end of drives Guns removing their guns from slips for a second look. I now try to make a conscious effort of removing shells at the end of the drive to make sure I know my gun is empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 After Lock and Load, Look and Unload I had snap caps in a very old shotgun, when the 5 year visit came and I got the guns out to show the officer the serial numbers his face was quite something when he glanced and saw something in the chambers. I now say "there are snap caps in this one" to avoid any jump in his heart rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 On a slightly tangent. I was guest at a small syndicate on the last day of the pheasant season. Some of the members were talking of an aquaintance who had taken one shot at a roe with a heavy rifle. He was tracking over the barrel in case a second shot was needed, worked the bolt to reload when the bolt was blown back and penetrated or went through his upper arm. Had he been tracking through the scope I am sure that a fatality would have occured. Consensus of opinion was that either the firing pin had not retracted after the first shot, or the primer had protruded from the case. Either way very nasty and unexpected. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 On a slightly tangent. I was guest at a small syndicate on the last day of the pheasant season. Some of the members were talking of an aquaintance who had taken one shot at a roe with a heavy rifle. He was tracking over the barrel in case a second shot was needed, worked the bolt to reload when the bolt was blown back and penetrated or went through his upper arm. Had he been tracking through the scope I am sure that a fatality would have occured. Consensus of opinion was that either the firing pin had not retracted after the first shot, or the primer had protruded from the case. Either way very nasty and unexpected. Blackpowder holy crud.... not a pleasent experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 So some people put there guns away with out cleaning what a disgrace and what are the guns like. I all ways clean gun when I get back shotgun/223 so there is never any chance of a round in it.if it is after midnight when I come in will put oily mop up barrel of 223 then next morning clean it properly. with 22lr take mag out then clear chamber extract bolt and the round drops in hand point in safe place and dry fire I know then that all is clear. Not inclined to agree with your comments ref cleaning after every use snow white. I do not clean the rifle barrel after every outing. This applies to the 2 .17hmrs, .243 and .270 I own an these are all in excellent condition. In fact my .17s shoot better when they have had a few rounds put down them. I do give them a good clean after an amount of use depending upon how many rounds I have put through them and how they look. Just my opinion and that of a fair few guys I know but I am sure many will follow your method. With regards to accidentally having a loaded gun when you shouldnt, in my opinion there is no excuse for this. The consequences are to extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I never clean my .22lr for hundreds of rounds they shoot better when they get a little dirty allways clean my 243 unless i am out following day and shotguns clean next day as for finding a loaded gun in the cabnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spready Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 I've thankfully never had this, had a misfire, where the firing pin hit the round and nothing, so I just recycled the bolt checked the round and reloaded. What's best for removing stuck rounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 I had a round of Privi go PPPPFFFFFFTTTTT with a big cloud of smoke and the bullet limp out of the barrel like a gat gun launching a dart. ..... The fox was well chuffed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 It's a HMR thing, Edgar bros did a big recall on rem HMR as people were having lots of problems with rounds with no powder in them, split cases etc....... Split case necks have been a problem for years, apparently a thing of the past according to hornady, we shall see !!! :hmm: Help me out please, when did Edgar bros have this recall and on what ammo? When did Hornady say split cases were a thing of the past? Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 It was Remington ammo, I spoke to sports marketing and they had been crediting for duff batches of rem HMR ammo since taking over from Edgar's. Edgar's had also been replacing duff rem ammo up until the change over, "a bad batch" was produced apparently. If you ring sports marketing with evidence of purchase they will credit the gunshop for you, so you can replace with new HMR. In regards to hornady, after the severe drop off in quality with the HMR, and the many complaints from across the shooting world, they have vowed to increase quality on all HMR ammo. At the end of the day even though numarous company's sell HMR, it is after all HORNADY magnum rimfire. So it's there look out. Google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) It was Remington ammo, I spoke to sports marketing and they had been crediting for duff batches of rem HMR ammo since taking over from Edgar's. Edgar's had also been replacing duff rem ammo up until the change over, "a bad batch" was produced apparently. If you ring sports marketing with evidence of purchase they will credit the gunshop for you, so you can replace with new HMR. In regards to hornady, after the severe drop off in quality with the HMR, and the many complaints from across the shooting world, they have vowed to increase quality on all HMR ammo. At the end of the day even though numarous company's sell HMR, it is after all HORNADY magnum rimfire. So it's there look out. Google it. Ok, so I haven't actually missed a recall then! Edgar Bros/Remington UK (SMK) are simply replacing any ammo shown to be poor/duff! Nothing new in that. So is it just Hornady that apparently have said rim splits are a thing of the past? What about all the other brands? I would have thought CCI would be in a better position to make that sort of comment seeing as they make Hornady. Which part of split cases is down to quality control, according to CCI it is because it is impossible to properly anneal the cases because of the primer in the rim? Quality control isn't going to solve that one! Can you reference this Hornady comment please, I would like to see what they actually said. Cheers! Edited March 16, 2015 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 according to CCI it is because it is impossible to properly anneal the cases because of the propellant in the rim? Is there a reason why the annealling cannot be done before the propellant is added.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Is there a reason why the annealling cannot be done before the propellant is added.? I believe their suggestion is they can't get the rim filled with primer after it is necked down from the .22WMR case, so it has to be done before. I do not know the technicalities of this or the specific reasoning, but that has been their problem. This goes back a bit now and the content is not 100% accurate anymore but the manufacturing process is as far as I'm aware.. From Bob Palmer at Hornady, Published in Shooting UK 2007 CCI makes the cases for all the .17 HMR ammo and loads it for the different companies. When they make the cases they draw the case out to a .22mag case that has a straight wall. Then the priming compound is put in the rim of the case. The case is spun to put the primer evenly in the rim. After the priming is complete the case mouth is reduced to the .17 calibre to hold the bullet. The reduction process, however, puts stress on the neck of the case. They obviously cannot anneal the neck of the case to relieve the stress because of the compound in the rim, so from time to time you will get a case that cracks. Some batches may produce more splits than others. The chamber pressure on .17 ammo is so low that it does not hurt the chamber on the rifle. They have tried to anneal the cases more before it's formed to .17, but this did not eliminate the cracks altogether. If the cracks were minor I would continue to use the ammo. The cracks do not affect the accuracy of the round and the brass is not reloadable. From Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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