955i Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 If you chose to stand in the middle of a motorway with your back to the traffic and where you should not be then do not be surprised if you get run over. If you chose to stand in the way, on a known hunt course, with your back to the hunt, on private land, where as a law abiding citizen you should not be, then like the person on the motorway do not be surprised if you get run over. But if you stand in the motorway with your back to the traffic, you would still expect drivers who can blatantly see you to try to stop or avoid hitting you. This did not happen in the video! People can make all the excuses they like for him but this seems pretty deliberate from what I can see. Lets remember she was trespassing. We don't know this to be a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 That's a good one mate. I certainly wouldn't have stopped - just look what happened to that last person who got beaten to a pulp by sabs with iron bars... Like the way that as soon as the horse is approaching one lady feels the need to cover her face.... Odd bunch of people. Have they no kids or jobs to do rather than standing about 'protesting'? - typical Libtards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 What are they doing there in the first place? Now would you guys be happy if they were disrupting your pigeon shooting? Whether you are pro hunting or not, someone going around disrupting your day because they don't agree with what what you are doing even though it's legal, should feel the force of the law or in this case the horse if you get in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Can someone categorically tell me she didn't back into the horse with the ideal of getting knocked to the ground 'for good effect' and over did it. Despite the horn you would hear the thumping of that horse's hoofs coming, so why are they stood with there backs to where the horse will pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 But if you stand in the motorway with your back to the traffic, you would still expect drivers who can blatantly see you to try to stop or avoid hitting you. This did not happen in the video! People can make all the excuses they like for him but this seems pretty deliberate from what I can see. We don't know this to be a fact. I seen these ****s at work we handle them slightly differently let's just can they don't return our way anymore and If they do they will have bought new phones and cameras as they seem to have lost the last ones on a previous visit.We fight fire with fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 But if you stand in the motorway with your back to the traffic, you would still expect drivers who can blatantly see you to try to stop or avoid hitting you. This did not happen in the video! People can make all the excuses they like for him but this seems pretty deliberate from what I can see. We don't know this to be a fact. No idea why you would protect Sabs. If you stand in a motorway...why? Why also these people standing around with spray? If you are doing something legal and people are trying to constantly stop you, attacking your animals and have previously attacked your friends with metal poles, would you want to hang around after one walked into your horse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 nasty accident,must say though the horse was motoring through a gate with car/people clearly there...perhaps reckless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) nasty accident,must say though the horse was motoring through a gate with car/people clearly there...perhaps reckless..Maybe horse was panicked and bolted? Was the rider really "kicking it on"? Or is his leg movements just natural at that speed over that terrain? Edited March 12, 2015 by Suffolkngood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Or with the noise of the horn and the smell of the spray, the horse was bolting? It looked out of control to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 If there protesting in a peaceful manner with banners and shouting fairplay to them but they don't they come equipped face obscured sprays bolt cutters horn and apparently they are doing no wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Something doesn't quick ring true here. Very rare to see a hunt rider charge through a gateway like that, normally they are points where the field slows down a bit. The film is captioned indicating the huntsman is kicking on but I don't think he is, he looks to be hanging on to a horse that has got it's head and he is trying to haul it in. One bystander hears the horse, very late, the other makes no move at all and is hit. It looks more to be accidental impact rather than malice to me. The CPS seemed to have thought so too since they bring prosecutions only when there is a reasonable prospect of success so they must have though that there was insufficient evidence of intent to cause the impact. The article is really about the last paragraph "The decision resulted in a 12,000-signature petition and the CPS is now reviewing the case under the Victims' Right to Review Scheme" If you can get enough signatures you can drag anyone into court despite the findings of the service meant to sort the wheat from the chaff. Bit like bringing back the pitchforks brigade to decide on justice. Hope the lass is OK, I don't suppose she intended to collide with a socking great hunter to make her point, unwise if she did! Hmm, just reading the CPS notes on the process and signature protests don't seem to qualify for the Scheme, someone else must have raised the complaint and the signatures shouldn't have had any bearing on the process, makes for better headline I suppose. Edited March 12, 2015 by harpoonlouis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Huntsman 1 sabs 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Look at my post about the little toad behind BBIM, true colours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Something doesn't quick ring true here. Very rare to see a hunt rider charge through a gateway like that, normally they are points where the field slows down a bit. The film is captioned indicating the huntsman is kicking on but I don't think he is, he looks to be hanging on to a horse that has got it's head and he is trying to haul it in. One bystander hears the horse, very late, the other makes no move at all and is hit. It looks more to be accidental impact rather than malice to me. The CPS seemed to have thought so too since they bring prosecutions only when there is a reasonable prospect of success so they must have though that there was insufficient evidence of intent to cause the impact. The article is really about the last paragraph "The decision resulted in a 12,000-signature petition and the CPS is now reviewing the case under the Victims' Right to Review Scheme" If you can get enough signatures you can drag anyone into court despite the findings of the service meant to sort the wheat from the chaff. Bit like bringing back the pitchforks brigade to decide on justice. Hope the lass is OK, I don't suppose she intended to collide with a socking great hunter to make her point, unwise if she did![/size]What's the odds that any of those sabs stand in a gateway in front of a horse again?Horses will always try to avoid collisions with humans.........you only have to watch the racing channels to see horses going full pelt yet trying to avoid fallen riders. Maybe with their faces masked the horse didn't recognise them as human obstructions? Also, the horse clearly tries to jump the puddled hole in the gateway at its narrowest point and the woman appears to step back into its path. It's very difficult (if not impossible) to steer an airbourn horse. Edited March 12, 2015 by Suffolkngood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 wouldn't bet on his chances if the vid was used in a court case, i doubt she deliberately stepped in front of the horse would wash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 wouldn't bet on his chances if the vid was used in a court case, i doubt she deliberately stepped in front of the horse would wash but what is going on out of shot that we don't see, was there another groups of sabs with sticks that had caused the horse to bolt and the collision was just a genuine accident? what is the landscape like leading up to that gateway, is there only a very narrow path the horse could traverse and no opportunity to slow down or stop because of other reasons? was the second person blind sided by the person stood next to her, did the person next to her cause her to move back or lose balance, did the other person obscure the second person to the rider, etc? I'm not suggesting any of the above is likely, but on that video alone I don't see that there is anything clear cut other than a collision between horse and sab. I don't believe that you can determine intent from the video alone, other than the intent of the sabs to stand in a stupid place and to try and disrupt the activities and progress of the horse and rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 but what is going on out of shot that we don't see, was there another groups of sabs with sticks that had caused the horse to bolt and the collision was just a genuine accident? what is the landscape like leading up to that gateway, is there only a very narrow path the horse could traverse and no opportunity to slow down or stop because of other reasons? was the second person blind sided by the person stood next to her, did the person next to her cause her to move back or lose balance, did the other person obscure the second person to the rider, etc? I'm not suggesting any of the above is likely, but on that video alone I don't see that there is anything clear cut other than a collision between horse and sab. I don't believe that you can determine intent from the video alone, other than the intent of the sabs to stand in a stupid place and to try and disrupt the activities and progress of the horse and rider. some fair points but i wouldn't bet on his chances it don't look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Good result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 but what is going on out of shot that we don't see, was there another groups of sabs with sticks that had caused the horse to bolt and the collision was just a genuine accident? what is the landscape like leading up to that gateway, is there only a very narrow path the horse could traverse and no opportunity to slow down or stop because of other reasons? was the second person blind sided by the person stood next to her, did the person next to her cause her to move back or lose balance, did the other person obscure the second person to the rider, etc? I'm not suggesting any of the above is likely, but on that video alone I don't see that there is anything clear cut other than a collision between horse and sab. I don't believe that you can determine intent from the video alone, other than the intent of the sabs to stand in a stupid place and to try and disrupt the activities and progress of the horse and rider. As you rightly point out, my guess would also be it is what is off camera that would reveal the rider’s course of action that led to incident occurring, the video too conveniently only showing the result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 As you rightly point out, my guess would also be it is what is off camera that would reveal the rider’s course of action that led to incident occurring, the video too conveniently only showing the result! The video not only shows the result,its also got the perfect angle too. For some reason the footage stops and restarts at 00.07 ,the 2 women stood next to each look to me like theyre getting ready for something ? The women hit even glances in the direction of the incoming horse 2-3 seconds before impact at 00.13 where it appears the left arm of the woman on the right throws out , possibly knocking her friend into the horse. I think they set it up and it went wrong,with the unfortunate lady getting more than she bargained for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 The video not only shows the result,its also got the perfect angle too. For some reason the footage stops and restarts at 00.07 ,the 2 women stood next to each look to me like theyre getting ready for something ? The women hit even glances in the direction of the incoming horse 2-3 seconds before impact at 00.13 where it appears the left arm of the woman on the right throws out , possibly knocking her friend into the horse. I think they set it up and it went wrong,with the unfortunate lady getting more than she bargained for. Glad I'm not the only one who can see this for what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 The fist woman looks back just as horse approaches and seems to deliberately step back to try to spook the passing horse then quickly steps forward leaving the 2nd woman exposed to the impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Karma... Hope the horse was ok! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) The decision resulted in a 12,000-signature petition and the CPS is now reviewing the case under the Victims’ Right to Review Scheme. The injured woman, named only as Nid, said: ‘I’m a victim of crime and feel absolutely abandoned by a system that’s supposed to protect me. MORE: Repealing the fox hunting ban is a waste of time ‘As I lay in hospital the only thing on my mind was “have they got this on video?” because I wanted to ensure it was looked at properly. ‘If you ride at speed through a narrow gap where there are clearly people standing, there must be a risk of hitting them.’ She was left unconscious with a collapsed lung (Picture: SWNS) The clash came during a meeting of the Blackmore and Sparkford Vale Hunt in Sherborne, Dorset last August. Nid was taken to Yeovil District Hospital where she stayed for two weeks and the huntsman was arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm. The CPS decided in January not to bring the case to court, saying there was ‘insufficient evidence that the incident could have been foreseen’. MORE: Boris Johnson calls for fox hunting in London to help keep numbers under control A hunt protester treated by paramedics in the aftermath of the incident (Picture: SWNS) The master of the Blackmore and Sparkford Vale Hunt, Rupert Nuttall, said: ‘We apologise that an awful accident happened but the due process of the law has been gone through. ‘Mark is innocent, as found by the Crown Prosecution Service.’ The CPS said: ‘We are in communication with the alleged victim and will be in contact with her when we have made a decision.’ Taken from the Metro . I think 'nids' comment about hoping it was all captured on video says it all. Edited March 12, 2015 by Rewulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Lets hope nid has learnt her lesson and stops interfering with people carrying out a lawful activity, next time she might not be so lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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