MrM Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Because ukip know the vast majority of us proletariate don't want to be in the eu, a referendum would only go one way The only poll I have seen has it 51/49% in favour of leaving - so basically a dead heat. Based on that sort of numbers one would expect a party to at least acknowledge they might lose it and let us know their contingency plans! Edited April 7, 2015 by MrM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Because ukip know the vast majority of us proletariate don't want to be in the eu, a referendum would only go one way Perhaps a vast majority of UKIP voters I agree.. But not the vast majority of working class voters...many conservatives amongst them. Only the incumbent Government can deliver a referendum on the EU in the short term... everyone knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Fisherman Mike - you might or might not be right, but have you done your own personal survey of the vast majority of working class voters? I suspect not. As for the lesson on Parliamentary democracy - bit patronising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Perhaps a vast majority of UKIP voters I agree.. But not the vast majority of working class voters...many conservatives amongst them. Only the incumbent Government can deliver a referendum on the EU in the short term... everyone knows that. That's what you tory die hards believe. Most of my family are traditional labour voters, I worked for the last 15 years with mostly tory voters..... Suprising the number of all sides who want out of the eu and increasingly the number looking towards ukip. I anticipate ukip getting a massive percentage of the votes this may, indeed possibly being second in every constituency they don't win in, I fear they may not get a majority but neither did camoron and the s-tories last time. I will keep waving the purple flag and banging the ukip drum at every opportunity........the s-tories may give an eu referendum, but the urge to leave won't be there and camoron will say about renogotiating the eu deal as he thinks tinkering with a dead engine on a sinking ship is the way to save it whilst ukip are building a bigger life raft for us all Fisherman Mike - you might or might not be right, but have you done your own personal survey of the vast majority of working class voters? I suspect not. As for the lesson on Parliamentary democracy - bit patronising. Often disagreed with gordon, but on this we are on the same page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 That's what you tory die hards believe. Most of my family are traditional labour voters, I worked for the last 15 years with mostly tory voters..... Suprising the number of all sides who want out of the eu and increasingly the number looking towards ukip. I anticipate ukip getting a massive percentage of the votes this may, indeed possibly being second in every constituency they don't win in, I fear they may not get a majority but neither did camoron and the s-tories last time. I will keep waving the purple flag and banging the ukip drum at every opportunity........the s-tories may give an eu referendum, but the urge to leave won't be there and camoron will say about renogotiating the eu deal as he thinks tinkering with a dead engine on a sinking ship is the way to save it whilst ukip are building a bigger life raft for us all Often disagreed with gordon, but on this we are on the same page The challenge UKIP face is that there is absolutely no prize in coming second. They can come second in every constituency and get a higher percentage share of the vote than any other party overall but still not win a single seat. It's winning seats that's important. They will possibly get 3 seats. 5 max. Do you think Ed/Sturgon will take any account of the votes that UKIP get when they are in power? They won't. They will just take it as an endorsement of their policies. It's that that scares me more than UKIP. But that's our so called democracy for you. I just wish the Conservatives and UKIP had agreed to play nicely and not fight against one another. Actually a lot of the Conservative inner circle are disappointed in Cameron. They thought he would be more Eurosceptic than he turned out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Fisherman Mike - you might or might not be right, but have you done your own personal survey of the vast majority of working class voters? I suspect not. As for the lesson on Parliamentary democracy - bit patronising. Not at all... If your going to use big words at least understand their meaning!.....that's being patronising ! Edited April 7, 2015 by Fisherman Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) There are a few reports around that Suzanne Evans of UKIP (deputy chairperson) has stated that if they felt they could reform the EU she would campaign to stay in. Edited April 7, 2015 by MrM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Not at all... If your going to use big words at least understand their meaning!.....that's being patronising ! my god pot kettle black. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 my god pot kettle black. KW Its called Irony KW.... try and keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Fisherman Mike - to keep up with you just takes a bit of dumbing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Fisherman Mike - to keep up with you just takes a bit of dumbing down. Never lower your Standards Edited April 7, 2015 by Fisherman Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Fisherman Mike - to keep up with you just takes a bit of dumbing down. dumbed down fisherman mike? here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts3ShSBevXM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Ruddy hell, does it all matter? I will vote (or not) for who I want to vote for, you can all vote for who you want to, there you go, problem solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Ruddy hell, does it all matter? I will vote (or not) for who I want to vote for, you can all vote for who you want to, there you go, problem solved Are you sure that you will not (or will)change your mind by reading all this information. You never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Are you sure that you will not (or will)change your mind by reading all this information. You never know Well I would read it but who do I believe, Fisherman Mike or KW ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Well I would read it but who do I believe, Fisherman Mike or KW ? There only one way to find out...... FIGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 kdubya wins - referee stops fight as Fisherman Mike is hopelessly outclassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 There only one way to find out...... FIGHT! I wouldn't know who to bet on ? And do not forget, in the words of Crass 'whoever you vote for, government wins'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't know who to bet on ? And do not forget, in the words of Crass 'whoever you vote for, government wins'. dont think many on here listened to crass do they owe us a living wouldn't go down well b&q would sell out of doors Edited April 7, 2015 by overandunder2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 dont think many on here listened to crass do they owe us a living wouldn't go down well b&q would sell out of doors Of course they bleeping do, right of to warm up the turn table, I feel the need for some vinyl, 80's style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Just take stock before you vote and ask what history tells us about who has done the most damage to shooting in the past. Who brought in the Protection of birds act when we lost a number of quarry species , who brought in the countryside and wildlife act when we lost more quarry species , who brought in the Countryside and wildlife admendant act when restrictions were brought in on many shooting areas , for example Natural England demanded notice of concents before you can shoot in some areas , who brought in laws and restrictions on keeping guns and what sort of gun you can hold after Dunblane and Hungerford. The answer = the Tories As for UKIP just a lony right party who hate anyone who is not born and bred in England and yet led by a man who comes from foren ancestors. Seems the beleve we can live without Europe , but will only drag the country down if the get there way. A party who has little understanding of shooting or the needs of the countryside if you read their letter to the CA. Mind you not that I would vote Labour , but the do have a better track record when it comes to shooting despite a reputation otherwise. Edited April 7, 2015 by anser2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Ruddy hell, does it all matter? I will vote (or not) for who I want to vote for, you can all vote for who you want to, there you go, problem solved You cant do that...you must vote for UKIP...being a UKIP voter seems to be a pre-requisite of PW membership. If you dare to have a contrary opinion you must be an anti and vote Green .... Oops now I'm being childish.... kdubya wins - referee stops fight as Fisherman Mike is hopelessly outclassed. Outnumbered possibly outclassed never... Henry Fonda got his point across in the end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 You cant do that...you must vote for UKIP...being a UKIP voter seems to be a pre-requisite of PW membership. If you dare to have a contrary opinion you must be an anti and vote Green .... Oops now I'm being childish.... Outnumbered possibly outclassed never... Henry Fonda got his point across in the end... Well last time I looked it is a free country so I can vote (or not) for who I want to, like I said, whoever you vote for government wins and none of them have our best interests in mind, I think they are a bit like a lot of people now, they want to be famous, not for anything they have done, they just want to be famous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Well last time I looked it is a free country so I can vote (or not) for who I want to, like I said, whoever you vote for government wins and none of them have our best interests in mind, I think they are a bit like a lot of people now, they want to be famous, not for anything they have done, they just want to be famous. "In the future everybody will be world famous for fifteen minutes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 As for UKIP just a lony right party who hate anyone who is not born and bred in England and yet led by a man who comes from foren ancestors. Seems the beleve we can live without Europe , but will only drag the country down if the get there way. A party who has little understanding of shooting or the needs of the countryside if you read their letter to the CA. I don't care who anyone votes for to be honest. I know where my vote is going, it is up to each of us to vote as we see fit. A lot of people died in the second world war fighting to ensure we had the freedom of choice to do so (amongst other things) or not, as the case may be. Not many of them had the freedom of choice to decide whether they fought or not. If you're going to criticise any party then at least get your facts right; the above is just sheer twaddle. For a start the UKIP party leader is married to a German; as far as I'm aware he doesn't 'hate' her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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