Fisherman Mike Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I know many people seem to think the Lib Dems are out for the count but I have a sneaky suspicion we may see another Tory/Liberal coalition as many people will 'play safe' and vote for the incumbent government. It could just as easily go Labour's way though but I don't think many in England will be comfortable with a coalition with the SNP. Do you know what that's a bloody good call.... I notice there have been some big bets laid by some of the shrewd faces for just such an outcome and the yellow brigade still have a inherently strong following that wont defect to any of the others... In fact that's the most sensible statement so far on this topic.....please vote Conservative...we need intelligent thinkers like you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Scully, I have got my facts right. Farage’s great great grandfather was German who's parents came to London in the 1860s , his gran mother comes from a French family so his claim to be English is to say the least a little shaky and at best only three generations English , if you can become English in 3 generations. He may shoot but his letter to the CA is not very wildlife friendly indeed he does not agree with secondary testing of existing farm chemicals just because the EU want it law , even though it can be years before the toxic property of some chemicals becomes evident. As for reading the daily mail you have to be joking along with most of the tabloids most of what is written is to say the least sketchy about the truth , after all in tabloids circles it’s a paper never been one to let the truth get in the way of a a good story . The above is even less coherent than your previous post in which you claimed UKIP 'hate' everyone who is not born and bred in England, which is factually incorrect. Farage (despite his ancestors) was born and bred in England and is as English as you or me. He is the leader of the party you claim hates those not born and bred in England yet he has a German wife, as I pointed out. Do you not think this is contradictory to your ridiculous claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyshooter Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 My vote goes to UKIP and i am also a party member. atb brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 The above is even less coherent than your previous post in which you claimed UKIP 'hate' everyone who is not born and bred in England, which is factually incorrect. Farage (despite his ancestors) was born and bred in England and is as English as you or me. He is the leader of the party you claim hates those not born and bred in England yet he has a German wife, as I pointed out. Do you not think this is contradictory to your ridiculous claims? The only Industries safe under Nige then will be German Beer and French Cigarettes I bet he's secretly sweating about possible election to the commons, he will have to do something with all those millions of euro expenses he's stashed away offshore before he has to declare them I can see it now It will be like a scene from Brewsters millions.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 dont worry mike he's not got to worry about it as he wont get thanet south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) +1 Edited April 8, 2015 by Psyxologos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mick.j Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Scully, I have got my facts right. Farage’s great great grandfather was German who's parents came to London in the 1860s , his gran mother comes from a French family so his claim to be English is to say the least a little shaky and at best only three generations English , if you can become English in 3 generations. He may shoot but his letter to the CA is not very wildlife friendly indeed he does not agree with secondary testing of existing farm chemicals just because the EU want it law , even though it can be years before the toxic property of some chemicals becomes evident. As for reading the daily mail you have to be joking along with most of the tabloids most of what is written is to say the least sketchy about the truth , after all in tabloids circles it’s a paper never been one to let the truth get in the way of a a good story . On the subject of 'being English' what does that make Miliband then? Farage is FAR more English than him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 I know many people seem to think the Lib Dems are out for the count but I have a sneaky suspicion we may see another Tory/Liberal coalition as many people will 'play safe' and vote for the incumbent government. It could just as easily go Labour's way though but I don't think many in England will be comfortable with a coalition with the SNP. Agree with Fisherman Mike, not a bad compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 In case people missed it the first time: "The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe." : Mikhail Gorbachev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 The above is even less coherent than your previous post in which you claimed UKIP 'hate' everyone who is not born and bred in England, which is factually incorrect. Farage (despite his ancestors) was born and bred in England and is as English as you or me. He is the leader of the party you claim hates those not born and bred in England yet he has a German wife, as I pointed out. Do you not think this is contradictory to your ridiculous claims? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 In case people missed it the first time: "The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe." : Mikhail Gorbachev +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 I know many people seem to think the Lib Dems are out for the count but I have a sneaky suspicion we may see another Tory/Liberal coalition as many people will 'play safe' and vote for the incumbent government. It could just as easily go Labour's way though but I don't think many in England will be comfortable with a coalition with the SNP. It is certainly an option, but I only think that would happen if both parties get sufficient seats that they could achieve an outright majority in coalition. If there is not enough seats between them to do that then I suspect it will be a minority single party government only as what value of entering coalition if you still don't have a majority. I don't think there will be a formal coalition between Labour & SNP, but they could have enough seats to still achieve an outright majority between them and so reject the Tory party's submission at the Queen's speech, so forcing a change of government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 My vote goes to UKIP and i am also a party member. atb brian Same here, and my ancestors arrived at Hastings in 1066. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Same here, and my ancestors arrived at Hastings in 1066. Ruddy Normans, coming over here and stealing our jobs and our women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 would love to, but there is no way i'm risking letting ed and the rest of his cronies in through the tradesmans entrance... which is what will happen if people dont start looking at this realistically. ukip just dont have enough support to flat out beat the other two major players. this is statistically a two horse race, and yes, voting UKIP will send a strong message... but, it will also lend a helping hand to labour. voting UKIP = short term win, long term loss (IN MY OPINION) Got to agree with this... My constituency is conservative, labour not a million miles away... I am a member of UKIP but on this occasion won't be voting for them.. why? because my constituency is not a target for UKIP, they are not in the running.. that may change in the future but for now no... so, if I vote for UKIP I will effectively be voting for Labour and a Labour government is the last thing this country needs.. especially when they are effectively going to end up the SNP's biatch!! If it was a target constituency where we stood a chance of winning a seat I would, of course be voting for my party but in this case, if you are a UKIP supporter or member, you need to think very carefully and look hard atr your constituency... don't give the UK to the SNP!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 I vote differently locally as opposed to nationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 I vote differently locally as opposed to nationally. I'm voting to get my country back simple as couldn't give a toss if my local MP was the best MP or bloke in the world , if he cant or wont offer me a chance to get this country back out of the hands of the unelected unrepresentative bureaucrats of Brussels he wont get my X KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margun Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 So we build cars and trains, but perhaps not ships. We build all of the above (admittedly not commercial passenger ships). However in terms of warships we build some of the finest vessels in the world. We have a manufacturing and engineering industry to be proud of technically, volume lets us down. In terms of defence there are some rather powerful countries who would love to get their hands on our technology ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 We build all of the above (admittedly not commercial passenger ships). However in terms of warships we build some of the finest vessels in the world. We have a manufacturing and engineering industry to be proud of technically, volume lets us down. In terms of defence there are some rather powerful countries who would love to get their hands on our technology ;-) Not only in defence, most of teh F! teams are based here, we excel in Nuclear engineering and pharmaceutical technology. It's just the old dirty stuff that can be made to the same standard but a much lower cost that has gone overseas. Saying that, we should be a lot more patriotic in our manufacturing choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Not only in defence, most of teh F! teams are based here, we excel in Nuclear engineering and pharmaceutical technology. It's just the old dirty stuff that can be made to the same standard but a much lower cost that has gone overseas. Saying that, we should be a lot more patriotic in our manufacturing choices. Not true we can build ships quicker and cheaper than the japs,but we only have two yards capable of building the larger ships, we could (cant now no facility in this country) build pressure vessels for PWR's cheaper and better than others ( now India and China are the big players) it was naff all to do with cost more to do with political will perhaps this little snippet may put some perspective on it. "The Conservatives' return to power in 1979 was quickly followed by a move which, Mr Harvey says, was psychologically crucial. Responsibility for maritime affairs was taken away from the Lord Privy Seal and given to a minister of shipping. Shipping was being stripped of its special status to become just another industry. It was not one Margaret Thatcher liked much either. 'Margaret wants rid of shipbuilding. Remember that,' a senior civil servant told Sir Robert Atkinson, then chairman of British Shipbuilders". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Not true we can build ships quicker and cheaper than the japs,but we only have two yards capable of building the larger ships, we could (cant now no facility in this country) build pressure vessels for PWR's cheaper and better than others ( now India and China are the big players) it was naff all to do with cost more to do with political will perhaps this little snippet may put some perspective on it. "The Conservatives' return to power in 1979 was quickly followed by a move which, Mr Harvey says, was psychologically crucial. Responsibility for maritime affairs was taken away from the Lord Privy Seal and given to a minister of shipping. Shipping was being stripped of its special status to become just another industry. It was not one Margaret Thatcher liked much either. 'Margaret wants rid of shipbuilding. Remember that,' a senior civil servant told Sir Robert Atkinson, then chairman of British Shipbuilders". So why don't we get more business? I think the death of shipbuilding started before the Tories came to power, probably back in 1977 when it was nationalised for a period. Mrs T didn't want rid of anything other than subsidising anything that could not stand on its own. Total free market approach which wasn't always right but was in many cases. That said, in some industries, management was as much to blame as the unions with complacency and ancient industrial relations. Combine that with the combative unions at the time which ensured you could never g'tee a delivery date and it was an unholy mess. This makes interesting reading.. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/themes/geddes-committee-nationalisation.htm Edited April 9, 2015 by keg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Just watched the UKIP candidate for Grimsby tear a BBC reporter to bits, well done love hope you get selected nice to hear it as it is for change without spin and deceit. KW Edited April 9, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTEMUP Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Some of those reporters are soft as anything with the liblabcon lot but fiery as hell with UKIP people but it shows the public where the BBC support lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Some of those reporters are soft as anything with the liblabcon lot but fiery as hell with UKIP people but it shows the public where the BBC support lies. Bang on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 So why don't we get more business? I think the death of shipbuilding started before the Tories came to power, probably back in 1977 when it was nationalised for a period. Mrs T didn't want rid of anything other than subsidising anything that could not stand on its own. Total free market approach which wasn't always right but was in many cases. That said, in some industries, management was as much to blame as the unions with complacency and ancient industrial relations. Combine that with the combative unions at the time which ensured you could never g'tee a delivery date and it was an unholy mess. This makes interesting reading.. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/themes/geddes-committee-nationalisation.htm Quite right...what I remember at that time was many orders went overseas because the Japanese and Koreans could do it quicker and cheaper. Their workforce keen and able. Some of those reporters are soft as anything with the liblabcon lot but fiery as hell with UKIP people but it shows the public where the BBC support lies. BBC support lies with the Majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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