jpigeon3 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 How realistic is the SNP Labour socialist agenda, a risk to all shooting sports. This forum may dissapear if this is a possibility. What next if this is the case, fishing, motor sports or even golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 How realistic is the SNP Labour socialist agenda, a risk to all shooting sports. This forum may dissapear if this is a possibility. What next if this is the case, fishing, motor sports or even golf. Have you read the threads I posted re. the Scottish Air-"WEAPONS" Bill? Have a look at the numbers of votes MSP FOR massive restrictions on airgun ownership, then the number of MSP votes against (NIL) They WILL have all guns so restricted that they are to all intents & purposes illegal, within a short time frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 It was a slippery slope ...... A lot of shooters didn't stand alongside hunters when they banned hunting with dogs, my opinion has always been they divide and conquer, pick off one at a time......that was the first and we are now sliding towards a ban on everything worth doing (fishing included) We should start fighting against the hunting act more vigorously,all organisations and groups even if not a "hunting" group, move the front line away from shooting, maybe even win back hunting. They are using the same tactics they used with hunting, making out like its a hobby of the rich and priveledged, so that most people don't care....... This is wrong both inaccurate and morally to attack in this fashion. Shooting and hunting are all inclusive, different types but practised by all. Airguns in scotland now, fac's next then sgc's..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 My assertion they are using the same tactics can be highlighted by the media coverage regards licensing fee's, showing game shoots (expensive shooting) and saying we are subsidising shooters....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I think it is easy to get a bit hysterical about it all. It is probably very fair to suggest that the cost of shooting will increase under a Labour government, Yvette Cooper has said exactly that and that will cause a few to leave shooting behind. The SNP are a bit more concerning and I would not be surprised to start to see them push for good reason for all types of gun, if they get fully devolved powers over firearm licensing so either proof of pest control, hunting or target shooting and that would include shotgun sports. I also expect to see an increase in costs in Scotland too. Will anything drastic other than the cost of a license change over the course of the next parliament? I doubt it, but there will be a slow creep towards it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Theres a lot of money spent in Scotland on shooting, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 That is why I don't think the SNP will push excessively IG, they are menacing, but don't think they are as foolish to try and have a complete ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpigeon3 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 The worrying thing about issues like these, are they are a good or stunt or smoke screen when things aren't running to plan, they can pull the issue out to deflect attention. If we lived in a perfect place with no other worries you may be able to understand meddling in areas that aren't a real problem. But unfortunately we seem to attract people with nothing better to do than complain about people doing things they dont like. And these complainers seem to worm there way to the top. Probably because the rest of us are too busy living our lives trying to pay for their wages, or enjoy ourselves to relax from paying their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I think ANYONE that imagines target shooting or "sports" use of ANY gun will still be regarded by the SNP as a valid reason for private gun ownership, is verging on the naive! At a push they MAY allow "estate rifle" type exemptions, or "working tool for pest control" type of ownership: but as part of a company assets. Individual ownership for recrearional use? No chance! Any SNP/Liebour coalition = expect an SNP lite version for the rest of the UK. PROOF? The vast majority of my guns, ONLY USED for recreational target shooting, were taken from me in bans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 just googled, "income from country sports in Scotland", 350 million a year ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 just googled, "income from country sports in Scotland", 350 million a year ! The SNP will cancel that out & more than make up for any "loss" as soon as they start seizing back private estates from the evil capitalist land-owners - an issue that seems to bring forth more vile from them than even shooting sports - which is almost hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Say it again. Unity in all campaigns, more co-operation or even amalgamation of organisations. And move the front line back again by fighting for hunting, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 The SNP will cancel that out & more than make up for any "loss" as soon as they start seizing back private estates from the evil capitalist land-owners - an issue that seems to bring forth more vile from them than even shooting sports - which is almost hard to believe. Theres been some buy outs here, often with sporting rights reserved by the original owners, community buy outs arn't cheap and the new community needs money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I would not be surprised to start to see them push for good reason for all types of gun, if they get fully devolved powers over firearm licensing. Do they not already have the powers regards firearms. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 No just airguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpigeon3 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Say it again. Unity in all campaigns, more co-operation or even amalgamation of organizations. And move the front line back again by fighting for hunting, If the ban did happen, it wouldn't be long before they turn on fishing or motor sports, so these are the group's to amalgamate with. It's just how and who will do it. The divide and conquer approach might apply, as these groups won't feel affected, yet Edited April 25, 2015 by jpigeon3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Well that's a relief. After reading the title I thought they were trying to ban us from shooting socialists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 If the ban did happen, it wouldn't be long before they turn on fishing or motor sports, To late they are currently working on a Wild Fisheries Review on the pretext of conservation, mainly for salmon. I have not met anyone involved in salmon angling either as a participant, a ghillie or an administrator who has a good word to say about the proposals in the review. What it will do is increase the cost of salmon fishing for everyone if what they talk about comes to bear. I talk here mainly as an association angler who pays an annual subscription to fish on a Tweed tributary. With the possibility of sporting rates, rod licenses and tag fees(the right to kill a fish and tag it) my modest subscription is likely to double and perhaps price me and many others out of the sport. I do not suppose much revenue will be raised by these moves by the time an army of administrators a Hollyrood are paid for. It reeks in my opinion of Comrade Sturgeon's desire to be in control of all aspects of life. Sounds a bit like South Korea to me. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Well that's a relief. After reading the title I thought they were trying to ban us from shooting socialists. It reeks in my opinion of Comrade Sturgeon's desire to be in control of all aspects of life. Sounds a bit like South Korea to me. North? Otherwise, I couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Sturgeon has a similar sense of style to Kim Jong Un too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 North? Otherwise, I couldn't agree more. OOps Chris right hand dont know what the left is doing- its an age thing! Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 ......and I read today SNP want TV licences means tested ie if you can't afford one you will get it free/subsidised and knowing the demographics of Scotland this will be a lot of Scots that working people in England will be supporting (even more than we already do with the Barnett formula). What I don't understand is when the lovely Nicola starts to breakup the big estates and redistribute the land what will all the Heavy-drinking, tv-watching, overweight Jocks do with their 100 acres of moorland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 What I don't understand is when the lovely Nicola starts to breakup the big estates and redistribute the land what will all the Heavy-drinking, tv-watching, overweight Jocks do with their 100 acres of moorland? Exactly I expect the women wants her subjects to grow a row of oats, turnips, barley and potatoes, keep a milk cow and a half score blackie yowes and live happily ever after at the head of a glen beside the warming flames of a peat fire. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 How realistic is the SNP Labour socialist agenda, a risk to all shooting sports. This forum may dissapear if this is a possibility. What next if this is the case, fishing, motor sports or even golf. Everything......................even clays have rights............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpigeon3 Posted April 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 ......and I read today SNP want TV licences means tested ie if you can't afford one you will get it free/subsidised and knowing the demographics of Scotland this will be a lot of Scots that working people in England will be supporting (even more than we already do with the Barnett formula). What I don't understand is when the lovely Nicola starts to breakup the big estates and redistribute the land what will all the Heavy-drinking, tv-watching, overweight Jocks do with their 100 acres of moorland? They will realise if they had a gun, they could eat for free, but then realise they are not allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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