mad1 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Well iv just see this on the news ... The antis will be all over us now thinking we are all the same ...how do you feel about it ?? By all accounts they were found on a hunt kennels ground but they say they knew nothing about it ?? Edited June 11, 2015 by mad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Dead? Alive? Any links? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-33006339 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Thanks Welsh1 couldn't get it to link .... Edited June 11, 2015 by mad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Slightly disingenuous article stating that foxes are protected, but never the less that's a troubling story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Not a lot to go on really; it'll be interesting to see what transpires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Allegedly being captivated and kept for release for the hunt according to the article Media caption The video was filmed by the League Against Cruel Sports Police are investigating after footage of 16 fox cubs held in a barn near to hunt kennels emerged. The video was filmed in a barn near to the Middleton Hunt Kennels in Malton, North Yorkshire, by the League Against Cruel Sports, which alleges that the cubs were being raised to be hunted. Fox hunting with dogs was made illegal in 2004. The Middleton Hunt said it was confident that no-one connected with the hunt had committed any offence. Police raid The footage, given to the BBC, showed the dark interior of a barn, located some 200m (660ft) from the hunt kennels. A number of fox cubs, aged six to eight weeks, were shying away from the light of the camera. Several were hiding in a milk churn and others were crouching in a drainpipe. The images were filmed over two consecutive nights. Campaigners alerted North Yorkshire Police, who raided the barn on 31 May and took away the cubs. Fox cub in the barn For some wild animals, it is not an offence simply to hold them The police said there were 16 cubs from at least four different vixens. There is also daytime footage. The League Against Cruel Sports (LACS) claims it shows a man with connections to the local hunt at the barn where the cubs were kept. Dr Toni Shephard, from the LACS, said: "This footage shows 16 fox cubs being kept in a barn without any sign of a vixen or parents. "We believe that they're being kept to ensure that there are plenty of foxes to hunt this coming season when they go out. "We think that this practice is widespread and this demonstrates that hunting is nothing to do with fox control or wildlife management, but that it's just a cruel sport that people take part in purely for pleasure." The young cubs appeared to have access to food and water. Edited June 11, 2015 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Does it say how the LACS were made aware of the barn and its contents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 There are no shortages of foxes in the countryside so why rear some......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Does it say how the LACS were made aware of the barn and its contents? Exactly my thoughts.. Handy how they knew of it and were able to film it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Excuse my naivety but WHY? Why would any english packs even bother when they're all following trails anyway. Be a complete load of bull i'd imagine There was 2 big hunting estates near me where u were not allowed/meant to shoot any foxes but the hunting was usually so poor due to the high density the hounds could never just take 1 line as foxes everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) I don't think it matters how the LACS found out,but it's obvious why they filmed it as its gold dust for their cause.Its not them that we need to worry about,it's the idiots that keep fueling them with yet more evidence to make their case stronger.As long as we have idiots like this you will never see a return to hunting with hounds. Edited June 12, 2015 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I don't think it matters how the LACS found out,but it's obvious why they filmed it as its gold dust for their cause.Its not them that we need to worry about,it's the idiots that keep fueling them with yet more evidence to make their case stronger.As long as we have idiots like this you will never see a return to hunting with hounds. +1 exactly .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I don't think it matters how the LACS found out,but it's obvious why they filmed it as its gold dust for their cause.Its not them that we need to worry about,it's the idiots that keep fueling them with yet more evidence to make their case stronger.As long as we have idiots like this you will never see a return to hunting with hounds. I don't think you understand what I meant. LACS have been known to resort to underhanded tactics to bolster their cause. There was a case some years ago where LACS claimed they had evidence of huge amounts of dumped game, but they had no evidence of where the birds had come from and there was a suspicion they had in fact bought the birds and then dumped them to photograph before sending them to the press. The truth of the incident was never resolved. At the moment we have nothing to go on but the assumption that someone acting on behalf of a hunt has collected the foxes to rear and release at a later date. It may well be true, but like I said, until we know all the facts it's just that, an assumption. I just find it suspiciously convenient that just as antis are upping their fight in the face of a possible free vote on repealing of the act, LACS stumble across a building with 16 fox cubs in it allegedly being gathered there by a hunt. If a hunt is responsible then I agree there will never be a return of hunting with hounds, and if so they have been unbelievably stupid and damaged their cause beyond belief and any chance of a repeal beyond all doubt in my opinion, but as yet, we don't know all the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 +1 exactly .... +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 +3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Allegedly being captivated and kept for release for the hunt according to the article Media caption The video was filmed by the League Against Cruel Sports Police are investigating after footage of 16 fox cubs held in a barn near to hunt kennels emerged. The video was filmed in a barn near to the Middleton Hunt Kennels in Malton, North Yorkshire, by the League Against Cruel Sports, which alleges that the cubs were being raised to be hunted. Fox hunting with dogs was made illegal in 2004. The Middleton Hunt said it was confident that no-one connected with the hunt had committed any offence. Police raid The footage, given to the BBC, showed the dark interior of a barn, located some 200m (660ft) from the hunt kennels. A number of fox cubs, aged six to eight weeks, were shying away from the light of the camera. Several were hiding in a milk churn and others were crouching in a drainpipe. The images were filmed over two consecutive nights. Campaigners alerted North Yorkshire Police, who raided the barn on 31 May and took away the cubs. Fox cub in the barn For some wild animals, it is not an offence simply to hold them The police said there were 16 cubs from at least four different vixens. There is also daytime footage. The League Against Cruel Sports (LACS) claims it shows a man with connections to the local hunt at the barn where the cubs were kept. Dr Toni Shephard, from the LACS, said: "This footage shows 16 fox cubs being kept in a barn without any sign of a vixen or parents. "We believe that they're being kept to ensure that there are plenty of foxes to hunt this coming season when they go out. "We think that this practice is widespread and this demonstrates that hunting is nothing to do with fox control or wildlife management, but that it's just a cruel sport that people take part in purely for pleasure." The young cubs appeared to have access to food and water. That seems an odd statement (if true). Why not a total denial of anything to do with the cubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Because a denial isn't exactly plausable and keeping fox cubs isn't illegal if they are not being cruel to them and you can't prosecute someone for something they may do in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Is that the Middleton hunt that will be in Teesdale? If it is its the middle of prime grouse country and there really is not many foxes about, if there is any truth to story (which i doubt) i'd be more worried about the reaction form the local keepers and landowners. They would not be happy if this was true. Now purely on the cruelty to a 'protected'?? animal front, if the 'hunt' person is keeping rearinfg foxes is that any different to the numerous wildlife hopsital and bunny hugger charities as most of those will also rear fox cubs?Are they all suspected of animal cruelty? 200m is a fair way away even for a farm steadden, i take it barn is still owned by the hunt? If not just a typical non-story, people can do wotever they want on there own property and its totally irrelevant where the hunt kennels are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 That seems an odd statement (if true). Why not a total denial of anything to do with the cubs? That's a fair point.... Because a denial isn't exactly plausable and keeping fox cubs isn't illegal if they are not being cruel to them and you can't prosecute someone for something they may do in the future. ....as is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I accept that it is not illegal but if someone accused me of something I did not do I think I'd say "I did not do it, and it's nothing to do with me" even if it is legal. I might also be tempted to deny the building was owned by me ...... if it was not. the cubs would soon learn that people feed them and react well, I guess these cubs had only just arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 It is somewhat convenient though that they had a 'tip off' possibly to the where about of cubs in a barn... And has been said why would any hunt capture and.rear them. Its almost signing the prison sentence and guarantee the ban would not be lifted Also if they could gain entry to film id think the cubs could exit if they wanted.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 From the Daily Mirror report: "The Birdsall Estate’s Lord Middleton, who hunted three times last year, denied the cubs were being raised as quarry. Speaking as the landowner, he said: “That’s rubbish. We’re not allowed to hunt foxes with hounds “They’re not being kept for hunting. (But) it’s not illegal to keep foxes.” "Lord Middleton said he “had no idea whatsoever” the cubs were being kept on his land, but added that they were not being mistreated. He said he did not “condone” keeping foxes, and suggested the cubs were being cared for by the Hunt for kind reasons. “I think people have rung up and said, ‘Hey, look I’ve got foxes that needs rescuing, their mother’s dead’, or, ‘I can’t live with them where they are, can you look after them?’ “The Hunt obviously has a supply of meat from farmers etc and it would be able to feed and look after them and then release them back to the wild.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Terrible PR but nothing illegal done. Who ever had these cubs should ask for them back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Terrible PR but nothing illegal done. Who ever had these cubs should ask for them back. that'll be their mummies and daddies then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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