littlerob Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I know someone who has just bought a fishing lake and have a problem with rats rabbits and most of all greylag goose's there must be around 50 on the lake and grounds. He have tried scaring them with bird baggers honking is horn haning cds up even chasing them with his car . He is now fed up and asked if I could sort the pest at the lake out but most of all the greylags . Where do I stand on shooting them befor September Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Dodgy. Get a keen dog on them! Every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 dog is not going to work IMO there all hang about in big groups i said if it was September i be there taking a few out. But Im going to go there on the 1st of July as he has requested for a day of no fishing to take a few rabbits and see if a real gun noise will make them move so will take a 12g. the greys have been there since november Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 A mad idea but have you thought about a radio controlled toy speedboat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 The land owner may be able to get a special licence from DEFRA to remove (shoot) the Greylags? Give them a ring. I believe it to be illegal to shoot them out of season? But you may get a bit of sport (and a few goose dinners!) if you leave them a couple of months until after 1st September Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 The land owner may be able to get a special licence from DEFRA to remove (shoot) the Greylags? Give them a ring. I believe it to be illegal to shoot them out of season? But you may get a bit of sport (and a few goose dinners!) if you leave them a couple of months until after 1st September that defra idea have to look into do you know if the license is for just the land holder to shoot them or would it cover me as land holder cant get a SGC due to his naughtier youth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Have you considered using one of these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 yes that's my gas gun and yes tried it for a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) I believe they landowner can nominate a gun. The geese will be moulting their primary flight feathers soon so will not be able to fly for about a month. that defra idea have to look into do you know if the license is for just the land holder to shoot them or would it cover me as land holder cant get a SGC due to his naughtier youth Edited June 19, 2015 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 This time of year they tend to flock up near us in Mucking (Yes that is a place ;-)) They turn up in March, breed and rear their young and are generally gone mid July Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 There is a nice looking lake over that way that can be seen from the C2C line. This time of year they tend to flock up near us in Mucking (Yes that is a place ;-)) They turn up in March, breed and rear their young and are generally gone mid July Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 that defra idea have to look into do you know if the license is for just the land holder to shoot them or would it cover me as land holder cant get a SGC due to his naughtier youth I imagine so? He is not applying for exemption under the general licence to use (or own!) a gun to control the geese.....he would be applying for a nominee (you) to control them on his land, but check his reasons for wanting to control the geese are in line with any guidance DEFRA gives for the successful grant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Danger to people and children fishing the amount of poo everywhere and in the lake and damahe to grass lands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Greylag are of course protected at this time of year and any attempt to kill them without a DEFRA licence will result in you ending up in the law courts with a fine and possibly having your gun licence revoked. Once the greylags are flying after their moult they are very easy to move on with bird scarer rockets, Edited June 20, 2015 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I will ring basc and see what they have to say im not planning on shooting any into I either have written consent from defa or another government appointment body unless september gets here first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) that defra idea have to look into do you know if the license is for just the land holder to shoot them or would it cover me as land holder cant get a SGC due to his naughtier youth It's not as easy as that,he will need to prove they are a nuisance and effecting him financialy.When and if he gets a licence/ permit he can nominate a number of shooters and they will be then named on that permit before its issued.They will also state how many out of the group can be shot( you can not shoot anymore than what's quoted)By the time it takes to get sorted you will be into the season anyhow.i think it's Natural England or other that does them.You also need to read the small print as you can still end up in trouble for example you can't decoy them or shoot them if they a flighting into roost and you can't sell the birds on.In other words you can only shoot them within the licence if you shoot while they are causing damage.Anything else even though you have a permit would lead to prosecution as you would be shooting out of season because you are not shooting within the terms of that license.Save your self and him a load of hassle and wait till Season. Edited June 19, 2015 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 I'd wait and try to discourage next year. Although Greylag numbers have increased you still would have difficulty getting a licence to remove many ,especially this time of year . July 1st is soon to get a licence . Don't risk anything that might put you in court . As said they'll be gone leaving a mess but it'll soon clear up. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Natural England are responsible for the licences (in England), DEFRA gave up on that years ago. The land/estate owner is the person who needs to apply, the pest controller was able to apply up to about 4-5 years ago, but not anymore. IF you get a special licence it will be very specific but you can nominate someone else to do the deed. Edited June 20, 2015 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 drones any good ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 drones any good ? Can we buy any powerful enough to mount a shotgun on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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