dad Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 my shooting mate has just bought a 410 o/u multichoke we took it out at the weekend on pigeon with very poor results (12 misses no hits) now my mate is a very good shot with a 12g with 30grm 6s 1400fps so any tips would be useful. we used cyl and 1/4 choke, 3 inch magnum sub sonic 5s 17grm and never shot over 30yds where are we going wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitetail Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 For the best part of this year I've been using a 410 rather than a 12. I've no experience with subsonic loads that your using but with a 410 you've got to hold it straighter than a larger gun , most people me included let birds get to close with a 410 I think it's a confidence thing. With my gun the ideal range is 20-30 yds if I miss at that range it's bad shooting it's very easy to start losing confidence and blaming the gun . If I was you I would shoot some clays , you will be surprised how well they kill if you give the 410 a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Brian Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 From My .410 shooting I would say 25 yards tops before the pattern starts getting a bit thin. I get the bit from Whitetail about them getting too close but would add that may be a problem when on full choke (with your multi choke I would be tempted to use 1/2 and 3/4 for decoy work). Another thing to consider is the weight of a .410 is a lot less than your average 12 gauge. As such it is very easy to get off the line of the bird and also stopping the gun during the swing might be an issue. Have a few rounds of skeet with it- It'll be good fun and should help get your eye in. I can't really comment on subs as I don't use them, but for decoy work size 7's or even 7 1/2s help to fill out the pattern. 17 grams of No. 5 can give a lot of gaps, though this will probably be improved due to the slow pace of the load. Put some paper sheets out and see whet the gun is doing with the various chokes. Hope this helps Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitetail Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 Brian's right about the weight of a 410 not helping with keeping on the bird it's very easy to miss through stopping the swing or poking at the bird . The last 1000 shells I bought were 6 the previous lot were 7.5 I couldn't tell any difference in killing power or shots to kills but that might be down to me being a rum shot . The 410s are a lot of fun to use if you give them a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffjjack Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 My initial thoughts would be missing behind if using subs when your used to shooting 1400 fps cartridges... the subs (by their nature) are approximatley 20% slower..... this has to be acounted for in the lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 I would say that that is a poor load/choke combination. I bet that at 25-30 yards, there would be huge gaps in the pattern. I would go for a minimum of 1/2 and 3/4. I would also go for 7 or 7.5 shot. Incidentally, I used my .410 o/u on skeet for the first time yesterday. I used 1/2 and 3/4 and 19gm 7. I shot a 21 and smoked some of the clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 forget the subs eley extra long 3 inch fibre 6's I use in my mossburg hushy full choke put the tightest choke in you have got and pattern it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the crowman Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 How about you sell it to me and go back to the 12g 😊😊😊😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 a 410 feels a bit like a wand in the hand if you are used to a 12g..they are much harder to shoot well,and are clearly handicapped pattern & load wise...having mainly used larger gauges I gave 410s a good try out over the last year and you have to be shooting v well to get anywhere.For me you have to be very deliberate with your swing as lightness of the gun gives little swing momentum and initially I was someway behind birds,and prone to stabbing in front...I found this out shooting 100+ clays...within 25 yards all the 410s I shot have tight patterns(much tighter than any nominal choke measurement) but soon after 25 yards the pattern falls to pieces. no 7-7.5 shot is only way to get a pattern worth shouting (shooting?) about... 4/5s total waste of time.my favourite are eley trap 14g .7.5s...even over the 3 inch 18-19g(the best of which are Bornaghi but v expensive,then fiocchi,I did not get on with eley magnums for some reason. Would I take 410 decoying? probably not,...I ain't good enough and shoot far better with 20/16/12g........for a wander in the woods/squirrels etc great fun and a challenge. However I would guess a good day decoying,certainly when any wind around most of my shots are taken at 30-40 yards and at these typical ranges I dont think the 410,certainly in my hands,is effective enough....and is a shame to have to leave 40 yard screamers alone when with a bigger gun these are the most sporting and rewarding shots.I have not tried subs so no experience with these,at 25 yards though I cannot imagine the lead is any different so would of thought these would be as effective as faster loads??..If you really want to adopt a 410 then use it more,including clays etc..but it will mess up your lead pictures etc for your usual gun!! Have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 thanks doctor dougall I will take some of this on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 a lot of good info thanks guys. i have since found out subs are 1050fps compared to my usual 1400fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffjjack Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Just as an example a 20mph (30f/s) bird crossing at 30 yards would mean nearly 8" difference in lead between the two cartridges. Thats the length of the bird. Conditions, angles and patterns are all different so this is just an example to explain the difference. I need all the help I can get when shooting so I'll stick to 20 & 12 at the minute for all flying targets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I got a K226 last year, and use Eley magnum 3" 5/8oz No7's shot pheasants, woodcock, pigeons, crows etc all season to 35 yards with no problems using 3* and 4* chokes. (1/4 and 1/2). One of the things I did when about 14 was theoretically work out what cartridges/shot combo to use in my 410 (old hammer sbs at that point), and for normal game and smaller, no point in going larger than a 7 as even with 5/8, nothing larger will pattern usefully beyond 25 yards or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Just as an example a 20mph (30f/s) bird crossing at 30 yards would mean nearly 8" difference in lead between the two cartridges. Thats the length of the bird. Conditions, angles and patterns are all different so this is just an example to explain the difference. I need all the help I can get when shooting so I'll stick to 20 & 12 at the minute for all flying targets! that my friend is great theory if shot was travelling at the quoted velocity throughout its flight,which it aint,..all this 1100-1400fps is measured I metre from the muzzle...and the faster stuff decelerates faster too(faster=more drag)......so in all practical purposes the theoretical lead at a given distance is actually tiny down range... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 We bought a hushpower mossberg pump action .410 6 months or so ago and once I got my eye in with it to be honest I think they're great....best shell I've used are gamebore magnum 6's or 7's, don't bother with the subsonics in my opinion. Full choke is my only choice but I can consistently kill decoying pigeons at 10-25 yards, and a bit further at a push. Lead pictures are identical to my 12 bore, I found I was giving birds too much lead for some reason.....concentration is a must as there isn't much margin for error. Had a red letter day on barley stubble and managed to kill 97 in an afternoon so it's definitely do able! Whilst the pump action is a bit cumbersome I think the weight of it makes it a lot more steady than a lightweight o/u or s/b/s...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffjjack Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) that my friend is great theory if shot was travelling at the quoted velocity throughout its flight,which it aint,..all this 1100-1400fps is measured I metre from the muzzle...and the faster stuff decelerates faster too(faster=more drag)......so in all practical purposes the theoretical lead at a given distance is actually tiny down range... Fair point, but as I said it was an example to explain the difference. Obviosly does not take into account all considerations within shooting. I use 20b mossberg 500 with both moderated and un moderated barrels. Unmoderated I used gamebore 28g 6 @ 1400 Moderated I use gamebore hushpower 30g 5 @1050 I have to increase the lead on the moderated shots to hit target. Edited August 28, 2015 by jeffjjack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Get as close as you can then get a bit closer still Increase the choke depending on load Test it for pattern then go out and use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marktopman Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 We bought a hushpower mossberg pump action .410 6 months or so ago and once I got my eye in with it to be honest I think they're great....best shell I've used are gamebore magnum 6's or 7's, don't bother with the subsonics in my opinion. Full choke is my only choice but I can consistently kill decoying pigeons at 10-25 yards, and a bit further at a push. Lead pictures are identical to my 12 bore, I found I was giving birds too much lead for some reason.....concentration is a must as there isn't much margin for error. Had a red letter day on barley stubble and managed to kill 97 in an afternoon so it's definitely do able! Whilst the pump action is a bit cumbersome I think the weight of it makes it a lot more steady than a lightweight o/u or s/b/s...... I have a 410 single shot & 20g pump Hushpower, the 410 is used for roust shooting & 20g for decoy shooting and it's been very affective, if like me you struggled to gat a gun case to fit habit on eBay are selling a 1.47 case that fits perfect and for £12.99 you can't go wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 My best shot with my 410 mossberg hushpower was last year a pidgeon was coming into land look far away obscured it with the end of the barrel and took shot it fell straight to the ground I paced it out at 40 yards couldn't believe it bird was stone dead a find 3 inch 12g number 6 best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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