starlight32 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I was just wondering if anyone knows of the official stance regarding gun security if you travel out of your local area to shoot. In the past it was considered o.k to leave a gun secured out of sight in a vehicle- correct? I believe it is now only accepted that when your guns are outside of your cabinet, they must be within your line of sight- True or false? Obviously we all know whatever the circumstances if a gun is lost/stolen then it is a big problem for the owner. Any info anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 There was a thread on this the other day. When I go see the old man I leave the barrels in the boot, the action gets stashed in the house where only I know it is and the forend stays with me wherever I go. Law says "reasonable" precautions, its all down to if you would be happy standing up in court swearing you thought what you did was "reasonable". I know some would, and probably could, leave in the locked boot of a locked and alarmed car. To me, and it's because I am probably a little anal when it comes to this stuff, that isn't enough. I think its reasonable to break the gun into parts and keep them separate, which to my mind means someone breaking into or stealing the car doesn't inherit my gun, at least not in a state it could be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 my feo said that if you leave the gun in the car and nip into the supermarket or whatever, he said to take the foreend off and put it in the glovebox and put the barrels and action in the boot Personally i dont think that is enough, if someone was to steal your car they have all the parts and could easily assemble and they have a working shotgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I think a lot of it depends on the car. Modern cars don't get nicked from supermarket car parks unless the thief has the keys. There also aren't many break ins to cars in supermarket car parks and when there are, its because someone's left a purse, wallet, mobile etc on the seat. Older cars without immobilisers/alarms are so much more attractive to joyriders or thieves but most of them are opportunists and if you don't give them a reason to break into your car they probably won't. The pro's just drive up to a car (New prestige models mainly) on the street and lift it onto the back of a truck, or knock at your front door, stick a shotgun in your face and ask nicely for the keys. This happened to a mate of mine - he had a BMW M5 & X5, both under 6 months old on his drive. His 8 year old daughter answered the door! I wouldn't leave my gun in a car overnight on the street but I will leave it hidden in the boot under bag, jacket etc while I nip into Sainsburys for 10 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacob w h Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 A freind of mine went on holiday and his nan was looking after the house someone knocked on the door saying they where the gas board got let in took out a knife and asked for the keys to the M6, merc ML and range rover sport she ran to the kitchen and set the 2 fully grown dobermans onto him THE MESS THAT OLD WOMAN HAD TO CLEAN UP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 The law says reasonable care- that would mean in a locked car and in the boot and out of site. Taking a part of the gun away would be a good idea - but may not always be practical. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandersj89 Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 The law says reasonable care- that would mean in a locked car and in the boot and out of site. Taking a part of the gun away would be a good idea - but may not always be practical. David I drive an estate, the guns are transported in the boot with the boot cover pulled over so they are out of sight. Before they go in the boot I remove the fore end and that is with me in the front. If I need to stop for any reason then the foreend comes with me. If I start doing more travelling I might invest in an in car gun cabinet or maybe a trigger lock that can also be attached to the car in some way. Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country_est Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I have a thing called "securi slip" which I bought years ago at a game fair, It looks like a normal gun slip but where the trigger gaurd is the are 2 zipps about 2" long, and when traveling with the gun in the car the there is a steel cable that fitts thru the trigger gaurd (whilst in the slip) and I wrap it round the drivers seat. When left for a few mins the car is either cat-1 alarmed, or Dog-2 alarmed, if he's not comming with me. Trev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Gully, Jacob - I think I would seriously consider moving !?! I keep my rifle bolt with me at all times and a trigger lock on the rifle in the boot (if the gun isn't on me/in the property), my shotguns are in the property/on me if possible otherwise locked in the boot with a trigger lock on. Another way of looking at it...your gun cabinet is a metal box bolted to the floor that would take a serious piece of kit to remove it...you car is a metal box weighted down by around a tonne of pressure that would also take a serious piece of kit to remove it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 cut the handbrake cables and push it i can push my passat once rolling the move quite easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I work in Dalston, East London which is a fairty dodgy area, put it this way my local plod have given local business owners the direct number of the local SO19 armed response team so we don't have to go through the 'slow' 999 route. I phoned the local met police FEO and asked him what I should do with my gun as I planned to shoot after work sometimes and it would be in the car. He said that I should avoid opening my boot to show a slipped gun, avoid taking the slipped gun from my car but just take the fore-end into the office with me. But did point out that they're not really after shotguns, most of them have 9mm's already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 When I asked mine he wouldn't be drawn on what he would see as acceptable, he suggested keeping the forend separate but beyond that just kept saying "reasonable" and obviously wouldn't define it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I drive an Estate car with luggage net hooks in the rear compartment, which I never use as I don't need a luggage net. They are, however, very useful for securing a shotgun using a chain and padlock. I pass the chain through the net hook, then through the trigger guard via the partially unzipped slip, and then padlock the 2 ends of the chain together. OK, it won't stop the determined professional equipped with a good set of bolt croppers, but it will prevent the casual "*****" type of opportunist theft that occurs when somebody boofs your rear windows in on the off chance that there may be something in your boot compartment. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=31750 Hey catamong, look at post No. 2. As my old sainted mother would say, "great minds think alike and fools seldom differ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I once asked my feo about in car storage etc, she basically said that 90% of house breakers and car thieves would upon discovery of a gun get the hell out of the property, as they know how seriously the police will treat the case, and the stretch of time would be significant if caught. She seemed pretty confident, cant say that i agree though! Out of interest, has anyone heard many stories of gun thefts? I was shocked when shooting at the mendips a while ago, how many people leave guns in racks, and guns on the grass banks behind the stands, seems all this security talk means nothing at clay grounds , would be easy to stick on a skeet vest,cap,empty gun bag and grab a nice f3?, i was suprised to say the least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I leave my gun in the rack at the club I go to, but I'm regular there and everyone knows it's mine. I wouldn't fancy your chances of getting it out of the clubhouse without having to pick pellets from your backside later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I joked to one of the guys who works at a shooting ground near me that the carpark of a place where almost everyone is armed must be pretty secure. He laughed and said if only; a couple of scrotes off the local estate once nicked his quad bike from inside the woods while shooting was going on while he was filling one of the traps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I would just like to say I had my vehicle stolen of my drive, it is quite loud so I would have woken up if they had started it up, my wife was up till 3am so this happened in between 3-6am, I live in the countryside and there aint alot on the roads at 3-6am, the creepy little toe rags pushed my car down to the end of my street and into a nearby lane were they started her up and drove away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I would just like to say I had my vehicle stolen of my drive, it is quite loud so I would have woken up if they had started it up, my wife was up till 3am so this happened in between 3-6am, I live in the countryside and there aint alot on the roads at 3-6am, the creepy little toe rags pushed my car down to the end of my street and into a nearby lane were they started her up and drove away. unlucky mate, have you reported it and phoned the insurance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Out of interest, has anyone heard many stories of gun thefts? we've had a couple round us, one case where 2 guns were stolen from the back of a discovery in the pub car park after a driven day, He lost his license and that was about it, Another case was from a car parked on private property at a clay shoot, he kept his license as it was deemed in the car on private property locked was reasonable precautions. personally i try not to leave them unacompanied but if I need to its always forend off and most importantly keep them out of sight. Ok you can use a shotgun with a forend off but its a real ****** to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedandlazee Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 my feo said that if you leave the gun in the car and nip into the supermarket or whatever, he said to take the foreend off and put it in the glovebox and put the barrels and action in the boot Personally i dont think that is enough, if someone was to steal your car they have all the parts and could easily assemble and they have a working shotgun Exactly what my FEO said I personally would take the forend with me which would seem to make more sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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