Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Just wondering if any members have had BASC backing when trying to appeal a certificate revocation ! I myself have had no joy with them even though they made me think they was going to help ! I would just like some feedback about this subject . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I understand that they will help members, but only where there is a realistic expectation of success. They won't back a dead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 as a bove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 As above, if you (and BASC) feel it was a unjust desicion then I'd expect them to take this on. Obviously you wouldn't want to air your laundry on here, but do you feel honestly, hand on heart that the revocation was unreasonable or do you just want to stick it them and make waves? It's easy and natural to feel you've been persecuted. Don't take this the wrong way please, but with so little info you'll get the same answers as above, good luck either way fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 It was revoked by Essex on hear say some 5 years after ! I appealed at my expense and lost as I wasn't very well represented by my barrister ! I reapplied some 14 months later in Sussex and was granted I was 100% transparent in my application ! After 4 months Sussex has just revoked due to pressure from Essex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I must just add that my firearms officer has been great and believes that I am of good character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 You must have really ****** off the Essex boys then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Two separate Constabularies have revoked your certificate. That should tell you something. You are happy to blame two Constabularies and one barrister, but no hint that you have done anything untoward. Just a bit odd. Unless you publish the full facts, how can you honestly expect a proper opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Hi Gordon I don't consider 45 years of shooting man and boy ! Shot gun certain holder from 13 and fac from 17 yrs old a dead horse needless to say I have never been in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 This is ongoing so that is why I just ask if any one at all in the whole country have had help from BASC as we are all paying more for this help ! I have even offered to pay half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Hi Gordon I don't consider 45 years of shooting man and boy ! Shot gun certain holder from 13 and fac from 17 yrs old a dead horse needless to say I have never been in trouble It must be very frustrating, but 'something' has happened obviously. I don't think you'll get much help on here from the 'general population', other than speculation. You need to bring this up with BASC again, but as said, they have to work on a cost benefit basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 You must have really ****** off the Essex boys then!Of course I did I was the only one out of all the lergitamate gun holders they revoked to take them to court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Unfortunately, 'never been in trouble' has been valid for a lot of quite bad people, for a long time. It could just as easily read 'not been caught yet'. Now, I'm not saying that this is the case for you. However, if you can PROVE that this 'hearsay' is a lie, then I'd suggest you take the person to a courtroom, with a complaint that you have been slandered. If you win, then the police records will have to be amended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Well I feel if you pay for insurance you should be able to claim Gordon ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Unfortunately, 'never been in trouble' has been valid for a lot of quite bad people, for a long time. It could just as easily read 'not been caught yet'. Now, I'm not saying that this is the case for you. However, if you can PROVE that this 'hearsay' is a lie, then I'd suggest you take the person to a courtroom, with a complaint that you have been slandered. If you win, then the police records will have to be amended. Can you please tell me how to do this has I have been told that you have to go to high court at a cost of £100,000 so let's hope you never get wrongly accused by an ex girlfriend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Well I feel if you pay for insurance you should be able to claim Gordon ! Claim what? If BASC think they are flogging a dead horse it's a no brainer for a business, I do feel for you, you really need to take this back up with BASC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 As I said I only want to know if BASC uses an excuse to every one when they need help ! If a few genuine people come back and say BASC took it all the way for them then I have my answer if not what are they doing with the extra fees we pay as fro April 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 As I said I only want to know if BASC uses an excuse to every one when they need help ! If a few genuine people come back and say BASC took it all the way for them then I have my answer if not what are they doing with the extra fees we pay as fro April 2013 Ok, this is derailing. Even if anyone did get a result how can you possibly compare that case with your situation? If you're not happy complain to BASC formally, and vote with your feet. It appears you've already gone to court and it's not gone your way, this may well be the answer why you've not been given the support you're requesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Were you a member of BASC at the time of the first revocation? The second one? Why did you not seek their advice before funding your first court case yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 What was the reason / allegation for revocation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 From what I can gather so far I assume a former girlfriend has reported you to the police for something you either did do or didn't do ? So it would just be your word against hers? Believe me, if she's a single woman, or even worse a single mom, you've got more chance of knitting fog than winning against her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Well I feel if you pay for insurance you should be able to claim Gordon ! If I insured my home, then burned it to the ground, I would not expect the insurance company to pay out. If someone has slandered or libelled you, you have my sympathy, but no-one can advise you without specific details. Asking members for their experience with BASC is pointless. They and BASC will say that each case is decided on its merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) From what I can gather so far I assume a former girlfriend has reported you to the police for something you either did do or didn't do ? So it would just be your word against hers? Believe me, if she's a single woman, or even worse a single mom, you've got more chance of knitting fog than winning against her. If what Rodp states above is true, regarding a "Domestic" with a partner, or ex-partner, then the "knitting fog" comment is unfortunately a fair one. The Police obviously, generally want to do what is "best" all round. The key word being "generally". However, having worked for one of those organisations for a very long time, (Now retired, thank god!) it becomes very obvious, very quickly, that being SEEN to do the right thing in the eyes of the public, is by far more important to them, than doing it. And if someone gets ****** over as a result, so be it... It's their reputation that could be called into question if the matter goes wrong. And like any other organisation, where public opinion really matters, being seen to do the right thing tends to be far more important than doing the over all right thing for everyone concerned. Especially on certain subjects. And BOY is firearms one of them! Just another opinion.... Edited September 15, 2015 by jam1e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpw222 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I hear what you say Jamie but all I am saying it was all ear say some 7years ago ! It was all dropped god only knows why and you know as well as I do if I had done anything wrong my Certs would have been taken then and not 5 years latter then given back and then taken again ! What has happened to me could happen to any person that holds a cert ! I have been doing some reading on the net over the last few days and you would be surprised how many people have had a bad deal! Maybe this post is best forgot as I only wanted to know if BASC had actually help any members regardless of circumstances and as of yet not one person has said yes ! But some private messages have said they also had no help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 From above >> let me be public then. >> Every case is different and I can't comment on your case but it is a widely held belief on here that basc is in existence to promote the interests of shooters and to be there to advise and support you when you have problems with applications of other problems. They obviously do help some people but several people that I personally know of the have sought help and advise with problems on applications and variations and have received no sensible help or advise at all. In my case which was a variation query, you would have thought that basc was working as an anti firearms org rather than supporting and advising me as a paying member for many years. I was told not to rock the boat with firearms and just go along with what they said even though I did get the variation in the end. Needless to say that I am no longer a member and neither are a lot of shooting people that I know of including whole syndicates. I consider them to be just another business touting around for trade it’s just that they operate under a fallacy of protecting shooting. I now get comprehensive sporting cover for a fraction of the price. The legal system seems to be a lottery and I can sympathise with your situation. You can be very alone when this happens and a friendly ear can help a lot. Either you were a bad person or, you just got spread by the system but it’s not going to be easy to get around this one. On what grounds have Sussex revoked your new cert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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