Beagle boy Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Evening all, I've been doing some reading up as of late about the spread of boar in the uk. As we know the Forest of Dean has good populations and some surrounding areas. And I've read of a good few in Scotland and some down south. Do you guys ever think the will re colanise the entire uk? Also is it true that if they are heavily hunted they disappear to new ground. I live Leicestershire and I've heard if sightings around me but I'm pretty sure they'd be the very odd escapee. I think they'd be a great asset to many estates and shoots but I doubt many farmers would like them. Also I'm shocked I can't find minimum calibre and seasons for shooting boar it seems crazy really. Cheers rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 They are pretty much hammered wherever they occur. Some of the smaller populations have been eliminated and some of the larger ones are much reduced. But, because some of those who do have boar shooting do have an eye to the future, and not just a short term eye for the gamedealers cheque, then they should survive long term but it will be many many years before they will be widespread if the current 'harvest' is maintained. The rate of population expansion would be much more if there were restrictions on the various forms of night shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beagle boy Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I had a ruff guess of around 50-60 years before they become widespread but a lot depends on how much they are hammerd. I'm insure as to why you can shoot them at night but not deer? I know you can get special licences for shooting deer at night but why not apply the same rules to boar? I do think you right about people thinking of the money shooting them, I think they'd be a good edition to our sporting estates. Much like muntjac I suppose many hated them but many now love them and promote good beasts through selective culls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Evening all, I've been doing some reading up as of late about the spread of boar in the uk. As we know the Forest of Dean has good populations and some surrounding areas. And I've read of a good few in Scotland and some down south. Do you guys ever think the will re colanise the entire uk? Also is it true that if they are heavily hunted they disappear to new ground. I live Leicestershire and I've heard if sightings around me but I'm pretty sure they'd be the very odd escapee. I think they'd be a great asset to many estates and shoots but I doubt many farmers would like them. Also I'm shocked I can't find minimum calibre and seasons for shooting boar it seems crazy really. Cheers rob Home Office state a minimum calibre of .270 but you are right at the moment you could shoot them with any calibre. But you would be breaking term's and conditions of your f.a.c if you have not got Boar on it. Before I had a .300 Win-Mag my firearms department would not condition my .25-06 for Boar due to Home Office guide lines. You can lamp/shoot Boar at night as they are still classed as vermin. Most people I know who have regular Boar shoot them with appropriate calibres and do I impose there own season with very selective culling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beagle boy Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 That's good to hear mate. It something is like to look into as to be honest I know very little as to what makes a good cull animal and their seasons. I wasn't aware of the home office saying a minimum of 270 is advised, is there a minion bullet weight like for deer aswell? I bet it's hard having them on your permission as you want to keep them about but I doubt farmers would want many of them around especially in crops. I haven't got boar on my fac bud as I've none around me but it is all forestry now with arable feilds surrounding so I'd imagine it would make good country for them. Cheers rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Home Office state a minimum calibre of .270 but you are right at the moment you could shoot them with any calibre. But you would be breaking term's and conditions of your f.a.c if you have not got Boar on it. Before I had a .300 Win-Mag my firearms department would not condition my .25-06 for Boar due to Home Office guide lines. You can lamp/shoot Boar at night as they are still classed as vermin. Most people I know who have regular Boar shoot them with appropriate calibres and do I impose there own season with very selective culling Open AOLQ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 My FA dept recommend minimum of 30 calibre for boar, I have boar on my 308. I'm lucky to live in the Forest of Dean area and have boar on several permissions but the boar have a hard time. The main reason the boar have done so well in the Forest of Dean, apart from ideal habitat, is that the forestry commission struggle to keep numbers down and are reluctant to ask for outside help. But once they venture out of the Forestry's area they are hammered and farmers have realised the boar can bring in some welcome cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Open AOLQ ? I have that on my .17HMR and God knows how many others have it on calibres from .270 down. I had it on my .25-06 my firearms department told IF I had/did shoot a Boar with my .25-06 I would be in trouble !!!!!!! As due to Home Office guide they would never grant/give permission for Boar with a calibre less than .270. All grey areas IMHO so I got a .300 Win-Mag with AOLQ which they say is fine because it's above .270 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Anyone heard of any in Staffordshire or Shropshire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 My FA dept recommend minimum of 30 calibre for boar, I have boar on my 308. I'm lucky to live in the Forest of Dean area and have boar on several permissions but the boar have a hard time. The main reason the boar have done so well in the Forest of Dean, apart from ideal habitat, is that the forestry commission struggle to keep numbers down and are reluctant to ask for outside help. But once they venture out of the Forestry's area they are hammered and farmers have realised the boar can bring in some welcome cash. Good man wish I had regular access to Boar in the UK If you would rather answer by PM fine. Are there or how close are Boar to Huntley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Anyone heard of any in Staffordshire or Shropshire? Not heard of any in staffs. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Open AOLQ ? Not in Gloucestershire as they removing the condition of FAC. Everything has to be named under the conditions. Are redgum says, they like .30cal. I have them on the 308. I like the idea of them in the woods especially Huntley as its all managed woodland so makes it easier to keeping paths clear but they don't know the boundary and end up licking up the salts on side of roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 My FA dept recommend minimum of 30 calibre for boar, I have boar on my 308. I'm lucky to live in the Forest of Dean area and have boar on several permissions but the boar have a hard time. The main reason the boar have done so well in the Forest of Dean, apart from ideal habitat, is that the forestry commission struggle to keep numbers down and are reluctant to ask for outside help. But once they venture out of the Forestry's area they are hammered and farmers have realised the boar can bring in some welcome cash. Exactly this. Wherever the Forestry Commission are, there is insufficient management of deer, boar or any other species requiring control. Their internal lack of qualified and experienced staff, over-reaching H&S requirements and insistence in many cases on DSC2 minimum means that they will never get on top of Deer or wild Boar management. Mind you, compared with Scottish Natural Heritage's "zero tolerance, 100% eradication" stance on anything with 4 legs and plant loving teeth, that's probably not a bad thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valley boy Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Home Office state a minimum calibre of .270 but you are right at the moment you could shoot them with any calibre. But you would be breaking term's and conditions of your f.a.c if you have not got Boar on it. Before I had a .300 Win-Mag my firearms department would not condition my .25-06 for Boar due to Home Office guide lines. You can lamp/shoot Boar at night as they are still classed as vermin. Most people I know who have regular Boar shoot them with appropriate calibres and do I impose there own season with very selective culling what if you got AOLQ on your certificate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 As long as there are people willing to pay £400+ to shoot one, they will be encouraged to increase, vermin or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 what if you got AOLQ on your certificate As I understand it, wild boar fall outside the normal definitions of 'game; and 'vermin' so would not qualify as AOLQ. 'Any other legal quarry' means exactly that - firstly, it has to be legal for that calibre and secondly, boar aren't legal quarry by default and would have to be specifically named on your cert. I was interested in finding out more about wild boar in the UK and found this useful website - Some very useful info on here: http://www.britishwildboar.org.uk/index.htm?shootinglaw.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Interesting not sure it is all 100% factual though. Quote: "A certificate to shoot wild boar is only granted for .308 .270 and 30/06 calibre weapons" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 As I understand it, wild boar fall outside the normal definitions of 'game; and 'vermin' so would not qualify as AOLQ. 'Any other legal quarry' means exactly that - firstly, it has to be legal for that calibre and secondly, boar aren't legal quarry by default and would have to be specifically named on your cert. I was interested in finding out more about wild boar in the UK and found this useful website - Some very useful info on here: http://www.britishwildboar.org.uk/index.htm?shootinglaw.html I've got open ticket and AOLQ on my .270 and covers boar as well, doesn't have to be named on the ticked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Interesting not sure it is all 100% factual though. Quote: "A certificate to shoot wild boar is only granted for .308 .270 and 30/06 calibre weapons" Just read through some of that, Unfortunatly I cant see the clip of the "not the way to do it" link so I can only assume its Driven shooting. As far as the chosen caliber goes something like a 9.3x62 is not suitable for Boar or even a 375 H&H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 As far as the chosen caliber goes something like a 9.3x62 is not suitable for Boar or even a 375 H&H. Yes + about 100 others, not just those 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 You have to make sure you have the correct ammunition to bring the boar down as these things don't want to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 You have to make sure you have the correct ammunition to bring the boar down as these things don't want to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I've shot several up to 200lb with .308 Federal 150g. They have all dropped within 10 meters of where they were hit. One shot only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 .577 T-Rex anyone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 With regard to AOLQ, surely boar is lawfull quarry. You're either allowed to shoot them or not. If it's legal to shoot wild boar then they must be covered by AOLQ as they're lawful quarry. Yes ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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