Fredwalton Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Hi I had a look at one of these today and really liked the feel of it. I was just wondering people's options on this gun? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Search back and I think you may find the subject well covered. I have encountered both good and bad. Some trigger issues, not changing barrels after firing, heavy pulls and even double discharges. OK to get you started, but so is a Baikal. You WILL one day want a better gun and if you have bought your Bettinsoli new and want a part ex, expect a big drop in price. Better buy second hand and lessen your loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil w Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Very good shotguns, and very good customer service. Really well made, I have seen a few second hand bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I own a diamond X and find it suits me well. I had one issue with it when I first took it out after buying it 2nd hand. The action was still quite stiff and it didn't cock correctly. My fault for not opening the gun fully. Since then, after putting about 2000 cartridges through it, I've not had any other concerns. Looks good and finish is good, no obvious signs of wear. I'd also recommend buying 2nd hand. I'm very pleased with it for the money I paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Mine looked the part, but double discharged from new. Safety catch was so stiff it was almost unusable, but eventually eased off with use. Seemed to rust easily, like in a day in the rain and then the forend split for no reason. But customer service was excellent and it was repaired foc. I'm sure there are good ones but mine didn't fill me with confidence. Sold it and bought a mirouku mk70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Just out of curiosity how are people getting on with the newer ones ? the reason I ask is we have had a twenty bore mk111 for a while now and its been excellent. No problems at all with double discharge but now and again the barrel selector if not guided left or right will drift into the middle when pushing the safety off. Shame as apart from that its a great gun to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I had the same problem with that too, and then the safety would push forward but not far enough because no barrel was actually selected so a missed opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Thats a shame because for the money they really do look great . Will see how we go with ours but for the moment a 2k Browning and near the same Beretta are shooting no better ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Oh yer they are a nice looking gun, and well specced for the prize,and I did shoot well with it. But it just didn't make me think it was going to last that long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wilksy Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I've put 4k of carts through mine from new and no problems so far, £695 from new so how much can it really depreciate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredwalton Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I would love a silver pigeon but it's double the price and having picked them both up today I couldn't really feel much difference. This will be the last gun I buy for a while as we are talking about having kids next year so want something that will last a while. Having read back they have mixed reviews but seem that they are better now than a few years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredwalton Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Also I'm looking new as it's 750 and come with a 3 year warranty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wilksy Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Sorry Fred, yeah mines a 2013 with two years warranty, I don't doubt they've had there problems but so do most manufacturers it just seems they come in for more stick than most, I was told they make barrels for beretta and are owned by the same company, it's like cars, my wife's ford KA has a fiat engine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredwalton Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Yeah I read they are beretta are made in same factory, whether this is true I don't know. The only thing I didn't like was the grip on the fore end was very spikey but I guess that's as it's new, but for the price it seems like a good gun and I really like the engraving on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredwalton Posted November 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Having looked about I found a second hand one for 595 and the seller thought it was 2/3 years old. I don't think 150 quid lose over 3years is bad at all? But then got 150 more I can get a brand new one with a 3 year warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I was told they make barrels for beretta and are owned by the same company, it's like cars, my wife's ford KA has a fiat engine! Bettinsoli manufactures the Franchi Over/unders. Franchi is owned by Beretta. Many if not all the smaller Italian makers - probably including Bettinsoli - out source some manufacturing for things like barrels, stocks, engraving etc. and it can work very well. When CG started up they didn't have their own factory and even now as the 2nd largest shotgun maker in Europe, the only part they manufacture in-house is the action, yet their build and finish quality is 2nd to none in the mid range market. Bettinsolis, as with some others such as Sabattis, are built to a lower a price point and there's no point in pretending they will be as durable as a Beretta or have similar long term reliabilty for high volume use, but for a leisure shooter they're decent value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkAYA Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Have a look at the Franchi Alcione one mate, a very good gun at the same price as a new bettinsolli. They get loads of good reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Lincoln Premier O/U also worth a look at a similar budget. Well made gun and very reliable. Had one from new and it remained faultless over many years ownership. Used, I'd be looking at a good Miroku or Browning as you can pick up a superb gun for similar outlay to a new Bettinsoli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Early Bettinsoli had the double disharge problems ... thats history !! The present double discharge occurrences occur as frequent with other makes of shotgun as with todays Bettinsoli's. There are the stalwart Bettinsoli bashers that harp on about that historic problem. l'd hazzard a guess and it is only a guess. That if a Bettinsoli had a continual firing test against a Beretta or similar, the outcome could be in either shotguns favour. A considerable percentage of the cost of a Beretta is in the brand name. I own a Beretta, so no underhanded reason to bash Beretta. They're good, but "not" leagues ahead of the likes of Bettinsoli as some push on PW. The same names keep popping up on Bettinsoli threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) I usually comment, because it's usually people making the same mistake I did. Going for a comparatively cheap new gun, with a warranty because they look nice. Ignoring the bad reviews because I'm sure mine will be ok. However they just aren't the same gun as say a mirouku or browning and I'm glad I made the change. Edited November 17, 2015 by kennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Have a look at my previous post http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/317167-bettinsoli-story-and-history/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Early Bettinsoli had the double disharge problems ... thats history !! +1. I've never had it with mine. Maybe I will at some point but so be it. It is easy to find complaints about most manufacturers if you look. My own personal experience is a friends Browning that refused to fire after 3 weeks of ownership from new. That doesn't mean that I'd never own one, these things happen. The only thing that would influence me buying a particular make is the treatment you receive from the importer or manufacturer if you ever need to use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyTed Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Have a look at the Franchi Alcione one mate, a very good gun at the same price as a new bettinsolli. They get loads of good reviews. Same gun as a Bettinsoli, I understand the RA Sports guns are also Bettinsoli under a fancier skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 +1. I've never had it with mine. Maybe I will at some point but so be it. It is easy to find complaints about most manufacturers if you look. My own personal experience is a friends Browning that refused to fire after 3 weeks of ownership from new. That doesn't mean that I'd never own one, these things happen. The only thing that would influence me buying a particular make is the treatment you receive from the importer or manufacturer if you ever need to use them. Nail on head...it is the same with anything we buy. BUt we never know unless we buy it or read about it from others. Then that may only be an odd case. In short we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredwalton Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Have a look at my previous post http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/317167-bettinsoli-story-and-history/ Thanks this was helpful to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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