bluesj Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 keg. If Russia attacks Turkey from behind ...... Do you think Greece would help?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I wouldn't worry too much about a plane flying over,but if there was a sub somewhere around your cost that you couldn't find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 what you going to find it with ,the half a Nimrod at Coventry airport??.lend us an Orion p3 guv times are ard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 How about the Bombers that have been round the English coast the last few months, off Scotland, the Irish sea, Bournemouth,The English channel, 2 miles off our air space, Our jets turning sideways to show they are packing, Ukraine, now backing Assad to the hilt, no ISIS up the northern area,, He is bombing the so called Terrorists of Assad, invite you all in,, cause conflict with other countries,, the Black Bear gets his own way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 What all out assault have the West launched against Syria? There is a civil war on-going true. We target ISIS since not to do so does not make us safe, it merely moves the fight to our streets. ISIS want a Muslim caliphate. They want to rule the world, simple as that. They want to impose their religious medieval bigotry on everyone. They don't want to talk, negotiate or live and let live. We take the fight to them, or they bring it to us. Russia is about supporting a tyrant for it's own agenda. The citizens who live under Assad's rule don't want it anymore. That's their choice, not yours, mine or anyone else's. Atb The civil war started when the West started calling Assad a Dictator, no doubt spurred on by their success with Libya and Iraq . I think you've missed out on all the fuss, it is precisely because we have deliberately NOT targeted Isis that Putin has got involved. Do you honestly believe that the West could not SEE all those Isis Toyota trucks, captured tanks and looted fuel being moved around ? The West has plans for the whole region and peace isn't one of them, hence why they've been arming anti Assad terrorists which they lovingly call "moderates" you know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing. The news omits to show the millions living under Assad who are perfectly happy with his rule, all about agendas and what you and I need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Turkey is isis's airforce . Its been buying black market oil from IS for a good while . In fact turkey is the biggest destination for isis oil .putin knows this and i think he may just use this as one of the excuses for kicking the ***** out of them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Well I hope not, because Turkey is a NATO member, and that means if they get into a shooting match with Russia, then so do we and everyone else. I don't think I missed anything. Having spent my younger years in HM forces at the very sharp end, I'm very comfortable with the idea of eradicating ISIS in total. I don't care what passport the nasty little rats have in their back pocket. They want to die for their cause, go for it I say, we're overcrowded anyway. Putin is protecting his interests in Syria and nothing more, like Crimea etc. Most of his strikes are against anti Assad forces. ISIS got hit to show plausible deniability. Their mistake is downing the Russian airliner. Now he will have to start seriously hitting them...what a shame. Cutting off the money for ISIS is very much on the agenda. It was in the public domain years ago. It isn't as easy as it sounds, especially if you add rogue governments into the mix. Looking back we were all safer during the Cold War. We should rebuild the Berlin Wall and get back to some real peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 If Turkey shut off the bosphorus then the shot will hit the fan. The Russian Black Sea fleet will be denied access to the med. things will then get heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 How about the Bombers that have been round the English coast the last few months, off Scotland, the Irish sea, Bournemouth,The English channel, 2 miles off our air space, Our jets turning sideways to show they are packing, Ukraine, now backing Assad to the hilt, no ISIS up the northern area,, He is bombing the so called Terrorists of Assad, invite you all in,, cause conflict with other countries,, the Black Bear gets his own way... There is no new news in this. The Russkis have never stopped testing our airspace and scramble times. As usual its the media ramping up their reporting at a time of elevated Russian military activity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandango Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 1.5 million in oil revenue daily to ISIS from black market oil,, who is buying this..... Turkey...... Putin and all the other world leaders involved in Syria know this, Putin done the right thing by hitting the refinerys and supply lines, Turkey is ****** off as its cheap oil is cut off,, they shoot down a Russian fighter,,,,, My thoughts are.. Good yah mr Putin you have done more in a few days than we or America has done in the fight against ISIS in Syria and he has effectively cut of a supply of money that ISIS need to carry on there religious war against anybody that isn't a Muslim extremist country. I am not really into airing my views, but Syria and ISIS has been going on for quite a while now and could have been dealt with in the same way that Russia has done, along time ago. Cheers Ivan fandango Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Wow. Not seen so much "we are doomed and the end is nigh " since the height of the cold war. Putin will rattle his sabre and get bolshy, the world police ( USA ) will issue some statement mostly made up of drivel ( they have already despite not being part of NATO ). Dad's Army comes to PW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Wow. Not seen so much "we are doomed and the end is nigh " since the height of the cold war. Putin will rattle his sabre and get bolshy, the world police ( USA ) will issue some statement mostly made up of drivel ( they have already despite not being part of NATO ). Dad's Army comes to PW The united states are nato members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Oops. Still won't come to anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I agree it won't. I don't think any one seriously believes that any government is totally innocent of the charge of duplicity in its dealing with the situation in that region, Turkey included. It's a right mess, but it's where we are today. The snake is alive and potent. Now we have to deal with it rather than try to tame it. I have never been a believer that my enemy's enemy is my friend. But what do I know, I'm not a politician. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 3.5m Russian tourists not spending say £500 each will hurt Turkey way more than a few military strikes. there is more to all of this than we see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-supports-the-islamic-state-isis-saudi-arabia-turkey-qatar-uk-france-usa/5490271 As the famous quote goes : The truth will set you free but first it will you off. Yes there is duplicity in all of this and it's so incredibly unsettling that we choose to ignore it. The West wants Assad gone, it wants all ME leaders who aren't puppets gone, Assad is allied with Russia and Iran which makes him an ideal target for demonisation and portrayal as Dictator, only a few years ago most people wouldn't have been able to pick him out from a Dictator serenade or indeed even know whether he was a dentist or leader of Jordan or Syria. Today they want him gone before they want Isis gone, simple as that, Russia had had enough of the two faced games and is big enough militarily to try and stop his downfall. The US is caught in a very embarrassing situation where social media has quickly exposed the official media lies about who is arming these "Moderate" fighters. The truth will set you free but first................................. Edited November 25, 2015 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Uncle Spam has decided the Ruskie was over Syria not Turkey ,OOPS .Something may hit the fan and it wont be jelly n ice cream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 1.5 million in oil revenue daily to ISIS from black market oil,, who is buying this..... Turkey...... Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Is that true? Dont know the true ££ but yes . Turkey is the bigest destination for isis black market oil .been going on for a fair while . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Is that true? Almost certainly underestimated. Putin will be having Turkey for thanksgiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Uncle Spam has decided the Ruskie was over Syria not Turkey ,OOPS .Something may hit the fan and it wont be jelly n ice cream I don't think that is anything new. The UK sank the Belgrano when it was steaming outside the exclusion zone. The Russian's shot down the Korean 747 after it had exited their airspace and was once more back in international airspace. The Fencer had been repeatedly warned. The track shows it was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds. It was shot down. It's not like this is the first time the Russians have ignored borders. Yes it was back inside Syria but in the context, so what? It had demonstrated a complete lack of regard for Turkey's border and got the same treatment the Russian's dish out. The US media reports. Washington (CNN)Turkey's downing of a Russian fighter plane shouldn't lead to further wartime escalation in the region, President Barack Obama insisted at a press conference Tuesday. But he maintained that Turkey had a right to defend its airspace and charged that Russian air activity near the Turkey-Syria border has contributed to the crisis. "This points to an ongoing problem with the Russian operations," Obama said. "They are operating very close to a Turkish border, and they are going after moderate opposition that are supported by not only Turkey but a wide range of countries." Politics at its best if you ask me. IMO I think Putin knows he doesn't need a conflict with NATO, and that's what we're talking about here. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 3.5m Russian tourists not spending say £500 each will hurt Turkey way more than a few military strikes. there is more to all of this than we see And there we have it. Putin has massive popular support over this. Tourism is off the table as a given and there will be pay back, not if, just when. It was all so unecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Dont know the true ££ but yes . Turkey is the bigest destination for isis black market oil .been going on for a fair while . So who is funding ISIS if not the Saudis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) To a large extent Isis is now funding itself through oil sales, kidnap ransoms, smuggling, extortion, taxes, looting, bank robberies. When it was starting out, Isis was seed funded by wealthy donors individuals and charities from across the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait. At first, the governments of the Persian kingdoms openly gave money to the opponents of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, including Isis. This has since become politically and diplomatically incorrect but large amounts of money still finds its way to Isis from wealthy individuals from the Persian gulf. Edited November 25, 2015 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Don't forget the end game that IsIs has..... Armageddon by armies fighting each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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