Paul in North Lincs. Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 This may sound pretty strange - however......... I have a very close friend who has expressed an interest in coming along to do a bit of shooting with me.......however.........(and try not to be too judgemental) over 30 years ago he received a lifetime firearms ban for a moment stupidity. I've been swerving making any arrangements - as I am not fully aware of the possible ramifications. Subsequently, I wonder if anyone would have more of an idea? No doubt he would never be granted a SGC but would he be able to accompany me or indeed shoot with my gun under my supervision?? Any info would be appreciated Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Are you in BASC? If so,call them. Edited November 24, 2015 by felly100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Him, being in possession of ANY firearm or ammunition is an automatic prison sentence. That would (technically) even include a pellet for an air rifle. EDIT : CPS link added. Minimum 6 month sentence applies. http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/section_21_firearms_act/ Edited November 24, 2015 by robbiep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Does this part cover it? Offence: s 21 Possession of firearms by persons previously convicted of crime. A person who has been sentenced to custody for life or to preventive detention, or to imprisonment or to corrective training for a term of three years or more or to youth custody or detention in a young offenders institution shall not at any time have a firearm or ammunition in his possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 You would be committing an offence under section 21 of the firearms act. (5) It is an offence for a person to sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition to, or to repair, test or prove a firearm or ammunition for, a person whom he knows or reasonable ground for believing to be prohibited by this section from having a firearm or ammunition in his possession. The word “sell” is often used throughout the Act in conjunction with the word “transfer”. Transfer is defined in section 57(4) of the 1968 Act as including letting on hire, giving, lending and parting with possession. so you would be transferring the gun to him even if it was for 10 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Thanks for the info gents - my suspicions have been confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 If he has signed the Firearms Act, he has got to turn his back and walk away from anyone with a gun. This was told me by someone who had done 9 years for armed robbery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 He doesn't have to sign anything. Getting the sentence deals with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Take him fly fishing instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 He doesn't have to sign anything. Getting the sentence deals with it. Times change, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 The only way the ban can be lifted is for him to apply to the crown court on an appeal . Be very careful you could be aiding and abetting a known banned person . You could get a bit of porridge . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 You want to be careful being an associate,my son was advised to stop associating with one of his friends or face having his FAC/SG certs revoked to the point he was interviewed regarding his association.I phoned BASC and they confirmed they can revoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Times change, it seems. No. Nothing has changed at all. Times change, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyTed Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I've often wondered on the legality of a club letting a non-licence holder shoot if they have been refused a SGC for any reason. Regarding Davyo's comment about associating with "dubious" characters this has been brought up elsewhere when someone "friended" a convicted armed robber on Facebook without knowing his background. His SGC application was refused because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I've often wondered on the legality of a club letting a non-licence holder shoot if they have been refused a SGC for any reason. Regarding Davyo's comment about associating with "dubious" characters this has been brought up elsewhere when someone "friended" a convicted armed robber on Facebook without knowing his background. His SGC application was refused because of it. Someone being refused a SGC/FAC is completely different to 'Prohibited Person' status. A club would not be in breach of any laws. I've heard the facebook story too, but never seen any evidence for it. It's always a 'friend of a friend'. So quite possibly an urban myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Does this part cover it? Offence: s 21 Possession of firearms by persons previously convicted of crime. A person who has been sentenced to custody for life or to preventive detention, or to imprisonment or to corrective training for a term of three years or more or to youth custody or detention in a young offenders institution shall not at any time have a firearm or ammunition in his possession. From last year this now also applies to suspended sentences.It also now applies to antique firearms. On discharge from prison he would have had the firearms act explained to him and he would have to sign the firearms act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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