MartynGT4 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Remember the good days when you went to the Post Office and got a ten bob shotgun licence, I do, and we did'nt have the hassle and problems we have today. You bought a gun and used it safely an sensibly. Oh for those magic days again! :no: :no: And in years to come our children and grandchildren will be looking back at how it is now and saying exactly the same thing.. we're living on borrowed time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kory1986 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Has anything eles come to light about this yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 http://firearmsuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ST_15060_2015_INIT_X.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 See page 33 Prohibited firearms 7. Semi-automatic firearms for civilian use which resemble weapons with automatic mechanisms. Why is their no comments from the UK ? Within the document. I would say 7. Will be very difficult to implement other than by a total ban on all semi-automatic firearms. This is very bad news if adopted the time scales look to be to implement it in three months. Why oh why must the law abiding always be the ones punished for others madness - can we please have a vote to leave the EU now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 At least the Czech Republic is question the proposals page 35 as a country that manufacture semi-automatic guns for Civilian use I guess they have more to lose than the likes of the UK in terms of lost sales/money. We on the other hand have no such industry to protect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) Thank god for CZ, Finland, France, Lithuania and Portugal have all said remove 7. Thus allowing semi-automatic guns for civilian use typical how no such comment has been made by the UK. Has anybody else looked at this document? Edited December 19, 2015 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 I read it in full. Slovakian and german approach is also shooter friendly. UK, Hungary not even there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 This is not the EU, but the UK: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/486690/53038_HC_668_print_pdf.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 http://firearmsuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ST_15060_2015_INIT_X.pdfVery useful, many thanks for posting this. Not had time to read the detail, but a quick glance suggests other countries are taking a sensible approach. All seem fully aware that terrorists and criminal gangs don't bother to apply for certificates, and that most of the weapons used were already prohibited. At the head of the EC document, "Reasons for and objectives of the proposal" were stated to be related to "The use of firearms by serious and organised crime and terrorist organisations...", yet the majority of clauses inserted by the Brussels Eurocrats are clearly intended to restrict the possession of legally-held guns for pest control, sporting purposes, target shooting and historical collections. It's time I got around to submitting my response. Hope others will do likewise. In case anybody missed it, David (BASC) has already provided a link with some suggested points, which are also available on the CA website. http://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/qa-european-commission-proposals-for-amending-the-firearms-directive/#update http://www.countryside-alliance.org/10206/ Regarding the EC's proposed ceiling on certificate life, has anyone suggested keeping a five-year duration for the initial certificate, but extending it to ten years or more for subsequent renewals? My impression is that terrorists and criminal gangs overwhelming consist of young adults. If so, short-life certificates probably INCREASE the risks to the public, with police time diverted away from monitoring people who have already come to the attention of the security services, and instead wasted on repeated investigations of middle-aged, law-abiding certificate holders. Anybody who has held a UK shotgun or firearms certificate for 25 years will have already been through at least six thorough vettings by police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 That's how it stands at the moment - you can't be sure how our gun adverse Conservative government will implement it though... Better than labour would! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 I wouldn't be so sure about that, my memory might be a bit foggy but didn't most, if not all, the most recent restrictions on ownership come about during Tory governments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 ...most, if not all, the most recent restrictions on ownership come about during Tory governments...but what do you reckon SNP will do when they have finished with air rifles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 I wouldn't be so sure about that, my memory might be a bit foggy but didn't most, if not all, the most recent restrictions on ownership come about during Tory governments? What were the last restrictions on gun ownership? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Just had an email update from 'Firearms United' with a graph on those countries which have voted against restrictions. So far Germany leads with 70k voters, France second with 40k, and Poland and the Czech Republic third with 20k. UK has around 12k votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Just had an email update from 'Firearms United' with a graph on those countries which have voted against restrictions. So far Germany leads with 70k voters, France second with 40k, and Poland and the Czech Republic third with 20k. UK has around 12k votes. Tis a rather pathetic show from the UK . Though I am not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 What were the last restrictions on gun ownership? 1988 conservative 1997 drawn up by conservatives, enacted by labour following election defeat 2006 Labour So, that's two thirds of recent legislation either brought in or drawn up by Conservative governments. Don't be fooled into thinking any UK political party would leap to the defence of shooting when a cheap, political point could be scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Tis a rather pathetic show from the UK . Though I am not surprised. I would suggest the figures are skewed by the hunting fraternity too, in the higher countries there is a much higher level of public acceptance of hunting to potentially non hunters still getting involved whereas the perception here is often toffs in red jackets so the numbers are down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katash Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 To be fair the cons in 1997 recommended we keep .22 target pistols, the lab lot were the ones that insisted not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kory1986 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Has there been any more info on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Apparently, according to an email I received earlier in the week, a UK MP has let it slip that the EU are pushing for a complete ban on 'high powered CF semi automatics', so I'm assuming they mean pistols as well as rifles and carbines. Frankly I can't see mainland european shooters letting this happen without a proper fight; they seem much more willing to get vocal, organised and off their backsides to counter political interference in their way of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry136 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 So are semi auto shotguns safe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kory1986 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Apparently, according to an email I received earlier in the week, a UK MP has let it slip that the EU are pushing for a complete ban on 'high powered CF semi automatics', so I'm assuming they mean pistols as well as rifles and carbines. Frankly I can't see mainland european shooters letting this happen without a proper fight; they seem much more willing to get vocal, organised and off their backsides to counter political interference in their way of life. was it only cf semi autos or did it mention 22lr semi auto two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I am sorry to hear that you are not happy with BASC concentrating on detailed lobbying and engagement to fend off unjustified changes to law. FACE represents many shooting / hunting orgnisations across Europe, see here: http://www.face.eu/about-us/members and working with FACE and consequently its members is the best way. As I posted above FACE is in direct contact with the Commission From what I see then BASC is working with what is effectively a European membership to try and stop the Eu bringing in laws to counter what, at the moment, is a European problem? You just don't get it do you David ! We want BASC to act on behalf of UK shooters, we don't want eu rulings here. UK gun laws are already one of the strictest in the world, and they work. Most the illegal guns here come from the eu, yet you want to involve them in our gun laws ? If we get eu gun laws here it will only be for the benefit of Europe, the UK will be at the bottom of the list when it comes to priorities. You happy with that outcome David ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 You just don't get what I posted did you, if you think that what happens in Europe will not have an impact here then think again - BASC is fighting to stop laws in Europe coming to the UK its as simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 So are semi auto shotguns safe? From what I can gather it is proposed to bring EU firearms licensing more into line with that of the UK, so shotguns would be exempt. was it only cf semi autos or did it mention 22lr semi auto two As above. If I still have the email I'll see if I can link to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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