HDAV Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I have seen loads, I think they are stunning visually But what does your dog think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 My brother had a cx5 biggest pile of poop ever, new turbo, new engine and countless other problems spent more time off the road than on it wow good to know what year was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 wow good to know what year was it? Shortly after they came out as most parts weren't available when they broke.... New engine etc had to be imported specially etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Shortly after they came out as most parts weren't available when they broke.... New engine etc had to be imported specially etc Nah, a mistake surely. We all know the Japanese 4x4's NEVER break down, it's on every forum you go on. Only Land Rover have trouble, everything else is perfect Edited February 13, 2016 by rodp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowStandards Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Nah, a mistake surely. We all know the Japanese 4x4's NEVER break down, it's on every forum you go on. Only Land Rover have trouble, everything else is perfect The cx5 ain't a 4x4 though - just the the disco sport isn't - its like most, a large, slightly lifted car Edited February 13, 2016 by LowStandards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 What about the new Jag 4x4? Seeming more and more out on tests on the roads around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 The cx5 ain't a 4x4 though - just the the disco sport isn't - its like most, a large, slightly lifted car It's as much a 4x4 as the Freeloader ever was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 It comes in a 2wd version which is nothing compared to a freelander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philm Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 obviously you have been and tried Land rover? I've had freelander 1 and 2, never had a problem off road with either, friend still owns a freelander 1 after a shogun he still can't believe what it can do! Oh and he pulled a discovery 3 out of mud on our shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 It comes in a 2wd version which is nothing compared to a freelander But it would be as good as a freelander with the prop removed (quite common) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 (edited) What about the new Jag 4x4?Seeming more and more out on tests on the roads around here.My parents had a first edition 3.0 diesel F-Pace on order. After being bitten in past by Jaguar Land Rover and associated problems. My parents test drove a fully loaded AMG line GLC and loved it,ordered one and are cancelling the F-Pace as parents have said it not worth 22K more than the Merc, the GLC is also better equipped. Slower acceleration but my parents are not speed merchants. I was that impressed by the 2.1 200bhp engine and I'm considering a Mercedes myself as my next car. As a family that have had a number of jaguar land rovers over the years and all the problems that go with them. No more time to try something else. Edited February 14, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowStandards Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Sorry, can I just check again We are talking about the disco sport, a merc GLC and a Jag f pace? Without any form of comedy in our voices? I always wondered who bought these things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Nah, a mistake surely. We all know the Japanese 4x4's NEVER break down, it's on every forum you go on. Only Land Rover have trouble, everything else is perfect Quite right too, everybody (on here) knows how bad land rovers are and nobody (on here) ever buys them anyway. I've never quite worked out why there so many of these heaps on the road. People just won't be told, just goes to show that you can lead a horse to water but you can't force it through the eye of a needle. Back to the topic, the ds and evoque seem very similar, is there much of a difference ? My wife's sister has a evoque and very nice it is too. ( I'm not allowed inside but can look through the windows from drooling distance) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Quite right too, everybody (on here) knows how bad land rovers are and nobody (on here) ever buys them anyway. I've never quite worked out why there so many of these heaps on the road. People just won't be told, just goes to show that you can lead a horse to water but you can't force it through the eye of a needle. Back to the topic, the ds and evoque seem very similar, is there much of a difference ? My wife's sister has a evoque and very nice it is too. ( I'm not allowed inside but can look through the windows from drooling distance) Yes they are similar. The DS is slightly bigger and has 7 seats which is appealing. The ride isn't as high as on a standard Discovery which may be a problem as my wife likes to sit up high. If you place an order today then are looking for early May delivery (unless taking a pre ordered one). I'll probably order one in a week or so. Have found a couple of Defenders that I have my eye on. As for the question "who buys cars like the DS?" Well lots of people as apparently LR are selling 10,000/month of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Land Rover are flat out, we're struggling to keep up and have dropped most other work. Apparently they tripled production over the last 18 months and intend to double it again in the next 12 months We'll not keep up with that I don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Sorry, can I just check again We are talking about the disco sport, a merc GLC and a Jag f pace? Without any form of comedy in our voices? I always wondered who bought these things... And your point is? Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 And your point is? Rick I was wondering the same. As it was a comment quoting a post I made. Stating basically I think Jaguar Land Rover have lost the plot with faults and poor quality my parents have cancelled a Jag F-Pace part of the same company sharing many parts and electicals due to getting peed of with JLR as a company. Not sure if he was having a dig at people who buy Mercs and Jags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Err, haven't Merc just come very high up on a list of most unreliable vehicles ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowStandards Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 My point is - well no my opinion - they are **** I can't fathom out why anyone would spend good money on them, I don't know where they fit in, they don't do anything well... Im not having a dig at anyone either, it would be dull if we all liked the same things, I imagine many think it's obscene to daily a 60 year old car and that's fine by me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 It would help if you say what is carp. The Discovery Sport. The hag and merc ones or all soft roaders. You choose to drive what you like. As you say would be boring if we all liked the same. The wording of your earlier post may have been miss read but it's how it came across. Think the reason people like the SUV Soft Roaders is they want something smaller to park cheaper to run easier to live with and they drive more like a car. With a degree of off-road ability. Most people with full on 4x4 don't use them to the point where a soft roarer couldn't go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowStandards Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 I can't think if a redeeming feature of them to be honest They're not small are they, yeah compared to say a full on range rover, but if you want easy to park, buy a Fiesta Not sure how an awd brick can have good fuel economy either? I can only imagine they are as good off road as say a Honda Civic, no ground clearance, the wrong wheels etc. Like I said, I don't get them They are cleverly designed to fill a gap in the market that shouldn't exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinchesterDave Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 I think people like that kind of car for a number of reasons. They want a safe, robust, practical car that gives them a degree of added luxury, safer on road handling in harsh conditions such as the rain, sleet etc, more space for passengers, raised ride height which gives a better driving position and they know that it will be able to get them through a bit of mud or snow if they require it too. In addition to this, people like the way they look. They make good family cars, good tow cars and do have a decent level of economy as well. To me personally, that is a fair old amount of 'redeeming' features. yes you get luxury in a saloon - can't really get dog in boot because it's not a hatch! You get a hatch with an estate - but they're low to the floor haven't traditionally come with AWD and many people don't like the way they look! My dad has always had saloons and estates but is now on his second Tiguan. He prefers them now so much more I doubt he will ever go back to a non SUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 I can't think if a redeeming feature of them to be honest They're not small are they, yeah compared to say a full on range rover, but if you want easy to park, buy a Fiesta Not sure how an awd brick can have good fuel economy either? I can only imagine they are as good off road as say a Honda Civic, no ground clearance, the wrong wheels etc. Like I said, I don't get them They are cleverly designed to fill a gap in the market that shouldn't exist Have you driven any of the models being discussed? The GLC has: 56 mpg combined (61/51), full time AWD, lots of space for people and things, great seating position for driving. Is it an off road machine? No. I don't need that as I have my jeep for shooting purposes and as such ground clearance is irrelevant. As an all purpose family vehicle though it takes some beating. To have the same amount of space and comfort in a car you need to be thinking of a full size estate (mondeo/5-series/etc) where you are giving up ride position, AWD (most models), and getting an ugly estate (I grant that aesthetics are subjective). Is it as fuel efficient as a fiesta? I would argue yes. To get the closest performance model (using 0-62 times as a proxy for 'pep') the nearest model Fiesta is the 1.6L ecoboost which gets 48 mpg combined when connected to a manual transmission. The GLC has 15% better economy in a much larger car with an automatic transmission and has nearly the same punch. And you're getting a much nicer vehicle (and paying for it). The civic doesn't even compare- their best performing engine (type R aside which is a different comparison) is no where close to the GLC in performance (extra 3.5s 0-62) and only gets 45 mpg combined. If you really want to compare ground clearance, the GLC has ~2" in stock form and with the air ride or off road packs you get another 2" (which puts the GLC equal to the standard Disco sport). If you live in a place with lots of rutted roads you'll be far better off than in a civic. If you needed to combine an all around family car with significant off road performance (i.e. heavy lamping, shoot utility vehicle, etc) then I'd probably look at the standard disco or a truck. But that's not what the GLC is for me. Frankly, aside from price I see no reason NOT to buy the GLC or comparable medium sized SUV if you need that amount of space inside. thanks, rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 I think people like that kind of car for a number of reasons. They want a safe, robust, practical car that gives them a degree of added luxury, safer on road handling in harsh conditions such as the rain, sleet etc, more space for passengers, raised ride height which gives a better driving position and they know that it will be able to get them through a bit of mud or snow if they require it too. In addition to this, people like the way they look. They make good family cars, good tow cars and do have a decent level of economy as well. To me personally, that is a fair old amount of 'redeeming' features. yes you get luxury in a saloon - can't really get dog in boot because it's not a hatch! You get a hatch with an estate - but they're low to the floor haven't traditionally come with AWD and many people don't like the way they look! My dad has always had saloons and estates but is now on his second Tiguan. He prefers them now so much more I doubt he will ever go back to a non SUV. Spot on. I would never be without a SUV type of vehicle so long as we could afford it. They swallow luggage, perform superbly on long journeys, have excellent all round vision, are safe for the family, arguably look better than similar price cars, can handle snow and a bit of mud with winter tyres (which are so good nowadays you can keep them on throughout the year), suffer less depreciation, mpg's are good if you chose wisely, tend to be robust, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinchesterDave Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Have you driven any of the models being discussed? The GLC has: 56 mpg combined (61/51), full time AWD, lots of space for people and things, great seating position for driving. Is it an off road machine? No. I don't need that as I have my jeep for shooting purposes and as such ground clearance is irrelevant. As an all purpose family vehicle though it takes some beating. To have the same amount of space and comfort in a car you need to be thinking of a full size estate (mondeo/5-series/etc) where you are giving up ride position, AWD (most models), and getting an ugly estate (I grant that aesthetics are subjective). Is it as fuel efficient as a fiesta? I would argue yes. To get the closest performance model (using 0-62 times as a proxy for 'pep') the nearest model Fiesta is the 1.6L ecoboost which gets 48 mpg combined when connected to a manual transmission. The GLC has 15% better economy in a much larger car with an automatic transmission and has nearly the same punch. And you're getting a much nicer vehicle (and paying for it). The civic doesn't even compare- their best performing engine (type R aside which is a different comparison) is no where close to the GLC in performance (extra 3.5s 0-62) and only gets 45 mpg combined. If you really want to compare ground clearance, the GLC has ~2" in stock form and with the air ride or off road packs you get another 2" (which puts the GLC equal to the standard Disco sport). If you live in a place with lots of rutted roads you'll be far better off than in a civic. If you needed to combine an all around family car with significant off road performance (i.e. heavy lamping, shoot utility vehicle, etc) then I'd probably look at the standard disco or a truck. But that's not what the GLC is for me. Frankly, aside from price I see no reason NOT to buy the GLC or comparable medium sized SUV if you need that amount of space inside. thanks, rick 👍 Lots of selling points. I do like the look of the GLC I must admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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