Flashman Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 To quote Brian Moore: "Hopkins, Grayling, Farage, Galloway and now Gove - I am now struggling, in good conscience, side with this group." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 And Borris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 To quote Brian Moore: "Hopkins, Grayling, Farage, Galloway and now Gove - I am now struggling, in good conscience, side with this group." Who's Brian Moore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Who's Brian Moore? Ex hooker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Like in Pretty Woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Ex hooker. Just googled him. Well to be seen he's an EX hooker... Who in their right mind would want to **** that!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Still, it's a fair point. I wouldn't trust that bucket of fannies to fall out of a boat and hit water, never mind advise on the biggest vote of our generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Still, it's a fair point. I wouldn't trust that bucket of fannies to fall out of a boat and hit water, never mind advise on the biggest vote of our generation. Hopkins I'll give you. The others have a huge amount of experience and knowledge of politics in this country and in the EU institutions. What's Brian Moore's track record in politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 While I can't deny the vast amounts of money we contribute on a daily basis does annoy me, and immigration is also a factor, the biggest and most over-riding priority to get out, and the biggest cause for resentment, to me, is the interference in our lives and our sovereignty by totally unelected and unanswerable bureaucrats. It's bad enough being ruled by those I do elect. +1, 100% Watching Dave the Unready on The Andrew Marr show earlier and it seemed to me that he didn't really believe in what he was saying. Someone, somewhere, with a lot of power, is pulling his strings. He's a puppet, saying what he has to, don't trust him one little bit. Oh, for my money, it's OUT, by the way. Does anyone in this country really believe that that bunch of foreign, corrupt, politicians won't go back on any "agreement" just as soon as it suits them? They want need us in because without us the whole pack of cards will come tumbling down, they'll do anything to make it impossible for us to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 i'm not sure either, ukip are quite happy to spout how much it costs to stay in, but what do we get out of Europe? I don't mean the so called strength and security issue, that's just manure, the French can testify to this lie. I mean financially, is it just a money pit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 The finance side is actually very easy to explain: It is a slow day in a little Greek village. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the village, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night. The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna. The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit. The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note. The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how the bailout package works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Boris' act of buffoonery isn't to be mistaken for stupidity. You don't become London Mayor by being a complete thicko. It's an act, a very effective way to disarm many of the threats that a politician faces, it's also a very way to misdirect attention. He's a shrewd dude. I was always OUT btw... hence my vote for UKIP at the last GE. Edited February 21, 2016 by mick miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 OUT ! So you are voting OUT ? The finance side is actually very easy to explain: It is a slow day in a little Greek village. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the village, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night. The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna. The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit. The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note. The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how the bailout package works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) The finance side is actually very easy to explain: It is a slow day in a little Greek village. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the village, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night. The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna. The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit. The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note. The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how the bailout package works. Yes but we are fed up with handing container loads of cash to Greek villages, there are plenty of British villages that need the money! Edited February 21, 2016 by secretagentmole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 BoJo is one of the stand out politicians of the generation, of a few generations in all honesty. His bumbling oaf style can be a bit grating, but he transcends party politics and speaks to the masses. He is very loquacious and flowery of language, but he genuinely engages across the spectrum. He is not afraid to cut through political correctness and he doesn't live in perpetual fear of making a mistake. BoJo backing the out camp is a very real blow to the pro-EU supporters. Gove is also a hugely capable man, but his personality is too anonymous so sadly his backing may not carry as much weight as it should. I honestly don't think that privately neither Cameron or Osbourne will grieve too much if the vote is to leave, in fact I suspect they may rather embrace it once the dust has settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Yes but we are fed up with handing container loads of cash to Greek villages, there are plenty of British villages that need the money! But the Greek villagers are only getting the money so they can pay back the loans they took out from the EU. That's what it is all about; The EU subsidising small countries like Greece so they can choose to buy French and German goods. Then the local suppliers and businesses go bust so they have no choice but to buy French and German goods. The economy fails and they end up in hoc to the EU and will side with France and Germany in EU decisions in order to keep the EU money coming in. That is why the UK never get their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 But the Greek villagers are only getting the money so they can pay back the loans they took out from the EU. That's what it is all about; The EU subsidising small countries like Greece so they can choose to buy French and German goods. Then the local suppliers and businesses go bust so they have no choice but to buy French and German goods. The economy fails and they end up in hoc to the EU and will side with France and Germany in EU decisions in order to keep the EU money coming in. That is why the UK never get their way. Well without our money they will either have to stump up and pay rather than pretend to pay taxes or get chucked out. We need the money in the UK, £33,000,000 would help a hospital, help a hospital a day, got a ring to it that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Well without our money they will either have to stump up and pay rather than pretend to pay taxes or get chucked out. We need the money in the UK, £33,000,000 would help a hospital, help a hospital a day, got a ring to it that! I think our net (after rebate) contribution is only 3.5bn so thats only 9.6m a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 I think our net (after rebate) contribution is only 3.5bn so thats only 9.6m a day. The UK's net contribution to the EU this year is £10.4bn. Our gross contribution is around £20bn, per annum. The EU has no money, when we see projects proudly proclaiming to be 'funded by the EU' it's our own money being spent, having been given to Brussels by the British taxpayers in the first place. Cheeky ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 The UK's net contribution to the EU this year is £10.4bn. Our gross contribution is around £20bn, per annum. The EU has no money, when we see projects proudly proclaiming to be 'funded by the EU' it's our own money being spent, having been given to Brussels by the British taxpayers in the first place. Cheeky ********. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8036097.stm#start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8036097.stm#start That's the figures for 2007!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 behind the times me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 behind the times me. No worries. If it makes you feel any better it's estimated that our contribution will go up another £4bn over the next 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Is that all? Bargain. I really am torn on this issue. I think there is strength in numbers and being a part of the EU but the way its managed seems to be like the UK in the 70's were it lacks transparency. For me the biggest fear is a yes vote that sends a message we are happy with it all when I think even the yes voters want change. A bit like the Scottish question its not so black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Big bad Boris wants out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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