walt1980 Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Im sure this has been covered but i wanted to ask if anyone has a link about it I can forward on. The basics are as follows, bought a rifle, Weihrauch HW60 .22 Hornet (private sale), that has been screw cut after it has left the factory. Had the rifle a couple of weeks but been waiting for a new moderator to arrive so only just got to try it out. Moderator on, couldn't zero the thing, also found that the cases weren't ejecting as I expected and that it had actually split some cases as in the pic. Thought maybe a dodgy case so carried on, but took the mod off. had it zero'd ok. Stripped the mod, could see a bullet had clipped it! Stopped and packed up! Annoyed! Had the rifle checked and he then told me the screw cutting hadn't been reproofed so shouldn't of been sold to me, it wasn't cut square hence it clipped the mod, and there was something definitely up with the chamber as he fired different brands of ammo through it and it did the same to them. He thinks that someone may have reemed out the chamber trying to clean off some corrosion and taken away too much. So I'm pretty sure that it not being proofed is good enough reason to send it back, if anyone has a link to Basc or similar with regard to the screw cutting reproofing bit it would be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 If the chamber has been re-cut then that's a gun out of proof you've been sold. Not good....illegal in fact The reproof after thread cutting hss been done to death....no reproof required afaik....irrespective of what others think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Not sure if you need the link to be honest. If the seller has written 'sold' on your ticket then you have him bang to rights anyhow. He has committed an offence and he has no choice other than to reimburse your money in exchange for the gun. Do not write 'sold' on his ticket when you return it, but rather 'given' or 'gifted'. Legislation regarding this can be found in HO guidance I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 2nd thoughts. A good RFD (gunsmith variety) may be able to fix the chambering & recut the threading. Then proof it again. Seller will need to pay for this & any wasted ammo & damaged moderator....or refund the rifle money plus cover ammo & damages to moderator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt1980 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Did think about going down the repair and fix route, the mod is OK to be fair, only a really slight graze. Cost of screw cut reproof and chamber work would make it expensive I reckon. Can a chamber be built up? It's at the very back nearest the bolt? Looks like a thin strip about 3mm wide and probably 0.1mm thick that's been removed. Wondered how it could be done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Just a thought if you have it rectified (if possible?) will you be happy with it and what happens if you move it on?,,,, hassle? Get shut now at the original out of proof stage while you have clear way out and legal recourse, If you rectify and it's still no good?......hassle Just random thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Did think about going down the repair and fix route, the mod is OK to be fair, only a really slight graze. Cost of screw cut reproof and chamber work would make it expensive I reckon. Can a chamber be built up? It's at the very back nearest the bolt? Looks like a thin strip about 3mm wide and probably 0.1mm thick that's been removed. Wondered how it could be done? Barrel unthreaded. Rotated 360 degrees & rear faced off - so you lose one turn of the barrel threading New chamber then cut. New extraction slot cut. This may not work if the barrel has any mounting hardware on it (ie to attach a screw through the stock as the stock hole will end up too far forward) Hope I've explained it well enough. Happens a lot when chambers have had issues/damage but the barrel is otherwise ok...so it's a knownfix/solution to such a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 The barrel will need setting back probably cut the old thread job off and all redone then sent for proof not sure of the hw60 barrel profile but if straight forward shape around £300 but you'll have a better job than the factory did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 The barrel will need setting back . I may be wrong, but I thought that Weihrauch centrefire rifle barrels were a shrink fit rather than threaded into the action in the usual way. If so, no-one will be setting that back in a hurry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt1980 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Erm not sure about all the jargon but I'm getting the jist of it! The stock bolt at the back screws into the action where the bolt slides in, when I got it, the stock bolt was catching on the bolt! It's already been ground back a bit! I'm writing this and thinking to myself 'if I read this id be telling him to send it back and get a refund!' Handy to get an idea of options tho. Didn't know you can do all that to an action and barrel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I may be wrong, but I thought that Weihrauch centrefire rifle barrels were a shrink fit rather than threaded into the action in the usual way. If so, no-one will be setting that back in a hurry. As I say not sure how the hw60 is confirmed I've not rebarreled one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 From what I'm hearing I'd take it straight back for a refund! There is NO legal requirement for re-proof before selling after a threading job, although the Proof houses would like there to be! Lord knows what is going on in the chamber! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Not good at all. Definitely return to seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 You always want to believe in a new gun (to you) but in this case the only advice you need is to send the gun back and get a refund while you have legal recourse to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem223 Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 It would be interesting to try a set of headspace gauges on the rifle. It looks to me like excessive headspace leading to case separation. The Hornet has pretty thin brass and it doesn't take much to cause problems. It shouldn't have been sold in that condition as its potentially pretty dangerous. I would demand a full refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourer103 Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 you dont need to cut off any threads, chamber can be sleeved, used to be done regular to convert 30-06 to 308, alot less work, as mentioned before will still need to be reproofed and mod threads redone, probably not worth the hassle, and yes sale was illegal anyway as it is not fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 you dont need to cut off any threads, chamber can be sleeved, used to be done regular to convert 30-06 to 308, alot less work, as mentioned before will still need to be reproofed and mod threads redone, probably not worth the hassle, and yes sale was illegal anyway as it is not fit for purpose. The Garands I used to use had a special steel ring that would be fitted into the chamber, this allowed use of .308 ammo instead of .30-06 It would stay put with .308/7.62 ammo & could be easily popped out by using a stuck case remover in a matter of a second or so... NEVER seen any conversion from .30-06 to .308/7.62 by use of a "sleeve" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourer103 Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 same principal,but it should have been permanent or you end up with a dual caliber rifle,must still have had a sleeve 30-06 has 17.30 angle at the shoulder and a dia of .470 at the base just before the grove/rim and a length of 1.748 to shoulder,, 308 has a 20 angle at the shoulder and the same .470 at the rim but only a length of 1.360, it was only the barrel that had the same spec diameter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourer103 Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 update, had a think about the ring saddler mentions, seem to remember them now, i would have been in my early twenties then some of the guys at the club had them, chamber had been re cut to accept the ring and the differant angle of the case, hence NO dual caliber, the ring duplicated the shoulder of the 7.62 and brought it rearward toward the bolt face this left quite a long throat, remember the guys who had them having extraction probs due to the ring while the original 30-06 where ok, cheapo fix for a problem that did not exhist at the time , surplus 30-06 being freely available and cheaper than 7.62, club used to buy it by the thousands in ammo cans like big sardine tins.however this does not help walt1980 with his problem. if you know someone good on a lathe its not a big job, ream out the chamber to larger size tap and screw in insert(sleeve) ream insert to correct chamber required, you do not have to reproof until you sell it, hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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