Les*1066 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 From the 1st April 2016, the way the medical evidence query on FAC applications will be changing. https://westmercia.police.uk/media/7867/Medical-Fact-Sheet/pdf/Medical_Fact_Sheet.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 From the 1st April 2016, the way the medical evidence query on FAC applications will be changing. https://westmercia.police.uk/media/7867/Medical-Fact-Sheet/pdf/Medical_Fact_Sheet.pdf It's no surprise, I can't say that I'm against it, with specific criteria anti GP's 'shouldnt' have a platform. I think generally it's good that GP's know who have firearms. A sticking point is how a particular doctor views alcohol 'abuse', there are many guises, not all are abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Glad they're going to be taking 'due care' of this sensitive information in the 'same way confidential medical information' because after all no medical information has ever been abused by a temp receptionist or anyone else with access! I don't have a better system to suggest but this seems mad to flag up on a third party system with no security oversight that we are firearms holders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 There are bound to be some pro-shooting doctors in your area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 There are bound to be some pro-shooting doctors in your area. I'd like to think that the list of specific criteria will make it very simple for the Dr, it's yes or no with the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Glad they're going to be taking 'due care' of this sensitive information in the 'same way confidential medical information' because after all no medical information has ever been abused by a temp receptionist or anyone else with access! I don't have a better system to suggest but this seems mad to flag up on a third party system with no security oversight that we are firearms holders Somewhere else SGC and FAC applicant information being held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 There are bound to be some pro-shooting doctors in your area. I have no choice about my GP, the surgery I belong to is allocated by my postcode. I belong to a mega big practice and I never see the same doctor twice. This sort of thing worries me because the doctors don't know me. There is a much smaller practice and its actually nearer but the local trust has catchment areas for each surgery and I don't live in the right road for that practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 What happened about medical records being centralised so every facility can see them? Would this firearm flag be therefore viewable by anyone at all with access nevermind your own GP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 What happened about medical records being centralised so every facility can see them? Would this firearm flag be therefore viewable by anyone at all with access nevermind your own GP? I suspect that the "firearms flag" will be about as secure and confidential as anything else that goes through your GP's surgery.........everyone from the cleaner to the local grocer will know your details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 I have no choice about my GP, the surgery I belong to is allocated by my postcode. I thought you could change GPs as and when you fancied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygreengrass Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Do`nt see a problem with this myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) I thought you could change GPs as and when you fancied. Not here you can't! Its not right and you should be able to but our Health Authority apparently thinks otherwise. I have enquired. At our surgery by reception there is a map, if you live within the red circle you can register there. If not,tough Edited March 25, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Ask for a second opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) I suspect that the "firearms flag" will be about as secure and confidential as anything else that goes through your GP's surgery.........everyone from the cleaner to the local grocer will know your details.My ex-wife used to work for the NHS and she would often tell me things about people we knew. Things like Mrs so and so at the church has got cancer etc. Not highly secret stuff but it illustrates your point. She could call up anybody's records with the new system, if she wanted to she could get yours! I would imagine the police will have access before long. Edited March 25, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 I was speaking to my feo a few days ago and he was saying that suicide was their biggest concern and guess you don't normally get a second chance if you suck on the end of a shotgun! so if your doctor knows you have a sgc/fac then at least if you do have some problems for some reason they can flag it to the police Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) My ex-wife used to work for the NHS and she would often tell me things about people we knew. Things like Mrs so and so at the church has got cancer etc. Not highly secret stuff but it illustrates your point. She could call up anybody's records, if she wanted to she could get yours! Exactly. A couple of months ago I phoned the surgery asking for my Doc to phone me back regarding a mild ailment. A couple of days later I popped into a local shop and low and behold the assistant asked how my ailment was. Asking how on earth she knew, she calmly informed me that her cousin Susan was the receptionist and as they both knew me Susan thought her cousin would like to know. I'm now frightened stiff to seek advice about my erectile disfunction !! Edited March 25, 2016 by CharlieT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 I suspect that the "firearms flag" will be about as secure and confidential as anything else that goes through your GP's surgery.........everyone from the cleaner to the local grocer will know your details. The system is already in place,and has been for a couple of months at least. The wife went to the docs 2 months ago (we have the same health centre) and was surprised to see a red flag on the doctors screen,she asked what it was,and was told that it meant someone at that address held FAC or SGC,she is not a ticket holder herself. I thought it was common knowledge ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 My ex-wife used to work for the NHS and she would often tell me things about people we knew. Things like Mrs so and so at the church has got cancer etc. Not highly secret stuff but it illustrates your point. She could call up anybody's records, if she wanted to she could get yours! My wife works at a doctors, if she has a chat with someone i know she will ask the if it is ok to say to me that she has seen them. I've had a few times when people have said "i was talking to your wife about this or that at the doctors the other day, did she let you know?" I have to tell them if they want her to pass on something they must ask her too other wise shes not aloud to say any thing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 The system is already in place,and has been for a couple of months at least. The wife went to the docs 2 months ago (we have the same health centre) and was surprised to see a red flag on the doctors screen,she asked what it was,and was told that it meant someone at that address held FAC or SGC,she is not a ticket holder herself. I thought it was common knowledge ? You miss my point. Yes, it is common knowledge that GP's are now implementing firearms markers, that knowledge however should not in itself become common knowledge throught the neighbourhood due to tittal tattle by surgery staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil w Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Implemented in England and Wales. But it will be up in Scotland mid summer.theses changes are for the 10 year licence. I really don't think it's a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 I was speaking to my feo a few days ago and he was saying that suicide was their biggest concern and guess you don't normally get a second chance if you suck on the end of a shotgun! so if your doctor knows you have a sgc/fac then at least if you do have some problems for some reason they can flag it to the police Its a difficult one to balance that, yes I can see their point but when I renewed my FAC after getting divorced the FEO got really stroppy with me for not informing them at the time. The last thing I would have wanted (or needed) was them sticking their oar in. I have heard of shooters going through a divorce having the police turn up unannounced to confiscate their guns. So how do you get it right? seems to me they are damned if they do and damned if they don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Its a difficult one to balance that, yes I can see their point but when I renewed my FAC after getting divorced the FEO got really stroppy with me for not informing them at the time. The last thing I would have wanted (or needed) was them sticking their oar in. I have heard of shooters going through a divorce having the police turn up unannounced to confiscate their guns. So how do you get it right? seems to me they are damned if they do and damned if they don't I know of someone who was going through a messy divorce and his soon to be ex mrs made allegations that he had threatened her with a gun but he had already lodged all his guns with a rfd and informed the police. She was told to do one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 It's no surprise, I can't say that I'm against it, with specific criteria anti GP's 'shouldnt' have a platform. I think generally it's good that GP's know who have firearms. A sticking point is how a particular doctor views alcohol 'abuse', there are many guises, not all are abuse. I'd hope we will get suitable guidance as per the dvla and alcohol with drivers. That way there are defendable guidelines for the medical side, and a reference point for the shooting side. In theory at least any anti shooting doctor will point you at a second doctor should they choose not to get involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 I am with this if it was applied in principle to all licences. If its an important enhancement to safety surely it makes sense to apply it to driving licences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 I am with this if it was applied in principle to all licences. If its an important enhancement to safety surely it makes sense to apply it to driving licences. Without wishing to be pedantic, but SGC/FAC are certificates, not licenses. Legally quite different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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